Fake Truthers Hit Atlanta

gretavo's picture

Let's list the things that are wrong with this... First of all, we have Cynthia McKinney who apparently gets all of her info about 9/11 from John Judge, who doesn't believe the towers were demolished. Then we have Luke Rudkowski, friend of tax evading gun nuts and a fan of David Icke. Rounding out the cartoon trio is Richard Gage, now sporting a new "bald look" that makes him look like Lex Luthor. Prominently featured in the bullet points is Steven "Glenn Beck's credibility is skyrocketing" Jones' probably fake nano-thermite evidence. To top it all off, Victoria "Victronix" Ashley approves! Well, except for the inclusion of April Gallop who like most truthers still claims to doubt that AA77 slammed into the Pentagon (what does she know, she was only there!) The sad thing is that there are probably a fair number of honest people caught up in this event, who are being duped by the fake truth juggernaut... So sad...

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

 

Victronix's comment:

The posters are great and it looks like a great event. Cynthia McKinney is an extremely inspiring speaker. However . . . I think its unfortunate that someone who claims that a plane could not have made the hole in the Pentagon will be involved in this. That claim is contradicted by dozens of eyewitnesses who saw the plane approach and crash (likely hundreds if not thousands saw the plane approaching and / or hitting but were never interviewed). Although many people support April Gallop as a survivor, and we all understand it was a horrible tragedy to have to live through, it is unfortunate that she has been a central source for the misguided claim that a Boeing jetliner could not have hit the Pentagon.

Here is a statement on the Pentagon issue by Richard Gage:

I strongly recommend that people who care to research what happened at the Pentagon take personal responsibility for forming their own conclusions by acquainting themselves with a wide range of analysis done by people who have come before them rather than jumping to conclusions based on a skewed selection of evidence and argument, or being unduly influenced by any type of authority figure. Use your own discernment, based on your use of the scientific method to arrive at a coherent theory that you can confidently stand behind.

One of the authors cited above, Frank Legge, PhD., admonishes us to adopt a “prudent approach” to the Pentagon piece of the 9/11 puzzle. In the end he wisely advocates the “precautionary principle” which is to “assert only what we can truly know,” given the contradictory evidence, misinformation, disinformation, and lack of information from official sources, and the difficulty in verifying much of it, years after the fact and with inadequate resources. Legge concludes that there is prima facie evidence that “the official explanation of the event at the Pentagon is false and that a cover-up exists. He concludes as well this negative hypothesis: that there is “no proof that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon.” And, since officials are holding the cards (videos) as to what did or didn’t hit the Pentagon, Dr. Legge’s recommendation is that investigators “take care to avoid publicly asserting that the 757 did not hit the Pentagon”.

We can all agree that no hijacked plane should have been able to violate the airspace of our nation’s capital and hit the headquarters of the most sophisticated defense system in the world – an hour and a half after the assault began on the Twin Towers. The 9/11 Truth movement will be more likely to succeed in its effort to educate the public about the Pentagon by focusing on those areas of greatest agreement.

Sincerely,

Richard Gage, AIA

Recommended Reading: 9/11 Pentagon Witnesses: They Saw the Plane Hit the Pentagon, Video by Jeff Hill, June 14, 2010 The Pentagon: A joint statement by David Chandler and Jonathan Cole, David Chandler and Jon Cole, Dec 2010 A dozen questions about Flight 77 and the Pentagon that might lead to justice, and one that won’t, by Kevin Ryan, Oct 2010 Flight AA77 on 9/11: New FDR Analysis Supports the Official Flight Path Leading to Impact with the Pentagon, Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.) and Warren Stutt, (B.Sc.(Hons.) Comp. Sci.) Jan 2011 What hit the Pentagon? Misinformation and its Effect on the Credibility of 9/11 Truth, Frank Legge, (B.Sc.(Hons.), Ph.D.), July 2009 (updated Feb 2010) “Debating” What Hit the Pentagon by Exaggeration, Name-calling, and Threats, Gregg Roberts, Jan 2011

Submitted by Victronix on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:55pm.

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
gretavo's picture

I've come to the conclusion...

...that Richard Gage is a tool. Fakey McFakesalot.

kate of the kiosk's picture

ouch! but if we look at

all the king pins in the 911 truth movement over these many years, all the bases appear to be covered:  architect Richard Gage, engineer Kevin Ryan, physicist Steven Jones, theologian David Ray Griffin, possible anti-semite deep-truth journalist C. Bollyn, the victims family guy Jewish truther/blogger, Jon Gold, youth patriot white gangsta city guy Luke Rudkowski, loud-voice-radio and DVD producer elder patriot Alex Jones, younger DVD disseminators the Loose Change guys, he-man Jesse Ventura, WTC survivor/janitor Willie Rodriguez...well you get what I mean.  Scripted? perhaps

With all due respect, I have gleaned a fair amount from some of these people, probably more from here, though~

juandelacruz's picture

Maybe Richard Gage is a genuine truther

and the fake truthers co-opted him because of his positive impact. Starting architects for 9-11 truth did a lot to boost the credibility of the truth movement. I actually think the same of Jesse Ventura. I am not saying all high profile truthers are that way, some are clearly fakes from the start such as Jon Gold, but that is the only way i can reconcile the previous actions of some with their later actions.

kate of the kiosk's picture

was hoping to hear from you, Juan

i really appreciate your take on matters like this.  I just listened to a great KB show. Gage is so impassioned in his incredulity. I can't not respect him.

http://noliesradio.org/archives/13680

juandelacruz's picture

hi Kate

The person i am sure of who started out as an honest truther is David Chandler. His video on wtc7 free fall is to me, the most irrefutable analysis showing controlled demolition. But on a recent occassion, he seems to be associated with the fake truthers. To Chandler's credit, his wtc7 analysis was so good and reproducible that no matter what he says now can refute his earlier analysis.

I think the high profile fake truthers actively try to co-opt other high profile truthers if they cannot be discreditted.

juandelacruz's picture

just to clarify

Some pretty impresive people who came out for 9-11 truth later recanted. I remember watching a video of Gore Vidal relating DRG. He later claimed a different (more like lihop) tune if i remember right. I think this was from external pressure. You do not go so far as understand DRG then backtrack to lihop based on logic.
Any way, if the perps, or possibly society at large can make GV take back what he said on 9-11, i think a similar effort will be exerted on Gage, et.al. The influence can be exerted through disinfo/bad association which is how I think Gage is being played or perhaps through coercion.

Remember how Willie pointed out that some people who are inside of Gage's organization have a dubious history.

willyloman's picture

That would be Gregg Roberts

Remember Roberts went over to AE911Truth after helping shift Jim Hoffman from a Pentagon skeptic to the biggest proponent of the official conspiracy theory about what hit the Pentagon.

I think your earlier comment is right on the money, they recognized that Gage's organization was building credibility so they sent Roberts over to work on that from the inside.

One of the first things he did was to get Gage to push nanothermite in every single article they wrote or speech they gave. Also remember that Jones showed up at the AE press conference spouting on and on about Judy Woods' earthquake weapons.

In fact, there was a huge falling out and several original members of that group left because of a big fight about pushing Steven Jones' work too much.

Roberts brought Deets in who was the head of the NASA program (Dryden Flight Research Center) which developed the drone technology and remote piloting technology... Deets did a video supporting CIT and fly-over and he worked with Lear (the guy with the picture of him wearing a tin-foil hat) at Pilots.

All that aside, yes I think they sent over Roberts to undermine AE911Truth (he's also the guy who refused to run tests for high explosive residue because he said it might be a bad PR move)

I think Gage was legit to start with, but now that they are a not-for-profit foundation I think he is locked into doing and saying whatever Roberts tells him.

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK

gretavo's picture

about Gage

I really can't say for sure of course, just my gut feeling. I suppose it is possible that he is being coerced/manipulated but the net effect is the same--be careful!

willyloman's picture

at this point I have to agree...

... for whatever reason he's becoming more and more of a liability rather than an asset and ultimately, when you are coerced, it's still your own damn fault for not paying attention.

To his credit though, I have had a lot of contact with Roberts, Jones, and their various amen chorus minions over the past two years now, and I will tell you that they will NEVER give someone like me direct contact with Gage. That has led me to believe that they have surrounded him and keep him completely isolated.

But like Gretavo says,the effect is the same.

Now that he shaved his head to look like a serial killer, I don't know. I doubt Roberts held him down for that little trick. So... who the f*ck knows.

Someone who was kind of big in the early truth movement back in the day told be to never trust anyone once they reach a certain level of popularity in the movement. She started pushing Judy Woods toward the end at meetings of our local group and later quit the movement to work on her new FEMA contract building for-profit schools in New Orleans.

Guess she knew what she was talking about.

Even if it was malicious influence that "turned" Gage (which I believe to be true), he's a smart man and a grown up and must be held responsible for his actions.

So Gretavo is right.

(ps. anyone got Gage's email?)

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK

gretavo's picture

off topic - the New Orleans school privatization...

A facebook friend's cousin wrote this recently...

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/04/26-3

Allende Admirer's picture

Other than a bad haircut and

Other than a bad haircut and suspicious associations, has Richard Gage actually done or said anything dubious lately to warrant this skepicism of him and the entirety of AeTruth by extrapolation?

( I take the nanothermite honeypoint point tho)

gretavo's picture

lately? not sure...

Though it wasn't too long ago that he spoke before that get-rich-quick group in Jamaica... And let's be clear--I'm sure that there are a great many honest members of AE911truth, all I'm saying, speaking only for myself, is that I have a bad feeling about Gage. The nanothermite research is part of it, the fact that he seems willing to share the stage with pretty much anyone, the fact that he endorses the view that we should accept the government's claim that AA77 hit the Pentagon unless we have proof it didn't, you know, the cumulative effect of all those things and probably some I can't remember (including his manner in interviews which can be a tad strident, as if he's trying too hard) all contribute to that feeling that I get from him.

jameson's picture

stridency

I've hoped it would convey a sense of urgency, but he should probably take that down a notch or two with his new more 'serious' appearance.

In contrast, I've noticed Steven Jones has a habit of chuckling in interviews and lectures when describing his research. I imagine it's supposed to convey surprise or something, but it always seems out of place to me.

kate of the kiosk's picture

chuckling

sarcastically, inside joke style, the bad guy is so incredibly stupid and so is anyone who believes this one style.

 have noticed this, too, not only with Jones but with DRG and, of course, Kevin B, which in his case it's almost expected.

willyloman's picture

He did do that obviously scripted "interview" with the CDI guy

.. several mistaken points were made in that. I wrote to them and went round and round with them till they finally admitted it was wrong on several accounts, so they wrote a slight retraction correcting the mistakes, but they left the mistaken article up, as it was, mistakes still in place.

That wasn't so much him as a minion of Roberts who co-wrote it with Gage, but Gage's name is on it.

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK

Annoymouse's picture

Gage on facebook

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=695783449

gretavo's picture

I hope I'm wrong about Gage

He gives a pretty good talk here. Comes off much better than in most of the tv interviews I've seen where he's not quite as calm and collected. If he *is* sincere, though, I have little doubt then that he's being manipulated by some who are *not*. Oh, and Bob McIlvaine is a champ--why did they cut off his introduction?

gretavo's picture

looks like 911blogger removed it!

bwahaha... here's the cached version

 

willyloman's picture

Have you guys seen this? This is just great

Steven Jones to Promote Earthquake Weapons with “Master Witches” and “Hyper Intuitives”

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/steven-jones-to-promote-earth...

Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK