Real Truth Alert: What is Happening to Richard Gage and AE911truth?
Found this in my inbox today, linked to from the AE911Truth newsletter The Blueprint. Yes, it seems that Richard Gage went on a junket to Jamaica to give a 9/11 presentation to an apparent pyramid scheme called Wealth Masters International. I don't blame Richard for flying down to Jamaica to stay at the Ritz Carlton--but does he really need to advertise it to the world, pretending not to know his hosts are sheisters?
9/11 Truth Presented at Advanced Wealth Building Conference in Jamaica Written by Richard Gage, AIA
Tuesday, 27 July 2010 01:59
AE911Truth was flown into Jamaica earlier this month to present the evidence for the explosive destruction of the three WTC skyscrapers to their top 250 associates.
Why? Wealth Masters International is a company of 20,000 associates seeking to build and maintain their wealth in the face of a declining economy and the largest wealth transfer in history.
Kip Herriage and Karl Bessey are the leaders of this unique wealth oriented company, who brought AE911Truth to this annual conference in order to give their followers very sensitive information that few other Wall Street gurus dare to understand or to provide. Their associates came together for four days to take a hard look at the light as well as dark sides of our national and world economy, and the opportunities available to savvy investors. They brought together a collection of other leaders, like Mike Maloney of GoldSilver.com, and G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island, and a host of other leaders in the areas of investment and health.
From the Wealth Masters' website:
*Products*Our consultants utilize our life-altering products, and take advantage of our thoroughly researched business alliances with the most successful individuals and companies in a wide-range of different fields. These advantages, along with our unique and straightforward compensation plan, make us the best choice possible in the Direct Sales and Network Marketing industry.You too, have the potential to enjoy the freedom, financial benefits, and quality lifestyle that our successful Wealth Masters International consultants are already enjoying. Remove the pressure and limitations of a conventional nine-to-five job, while providing yourself with the financial means to live the life you deserve.With Wealth Masters’ business model, you will be your own boss in no time. If you are tired of the commute, tired of making others wealthy tired of your hard earned money going into your bosses’ pocket, tired of living pay check to pay check or just ready to change the quality of your life forever, then Wealth Masters provides the time tested vehicle to get you there as soon as possible. The next step is to become a Wealth Masters Consultant today.http://www.wmitoday.com/
This comes on the heels of the announcement that Richard Gage will be attending Sander Hicks' "Truth Gathering" in the catskills. On the menu?
DAY ONE:
August 14, 1 PM.
Saturday: BBQ/open mike/informal social at the 52 DuBois Street House, downtown Livingston Manor. Cook/Chefs are Lumino, Luke Rudkowski, and Sander Hicks. Informal. Sander will serve homebrew.
Here's Sander in a pic from a recent puff piece no doubt intended to raise his sagging profile among fake truthers:
And of course, the classic picture of Luke Rudkowski with the freakshow Ed Brown (follow the link to read all about this stand-up friend of Luke's, including his professed antipathy for "Zionist Illuminati Freemasons")
I ask you, fellow real truthers, is it time yet to question the intentions of Mr. Gage and AE911Truth? Are they, as it seems, preparing to spend their accumulated credibility capital? Can we salvage something from this situation, perhaps by appealing to the seemingly honest members of the organization like David Chandler? What say you?
connecting the fake truth dots
I'm not a hater
>SNIP<
Is muddying the waters with claims that have nothing to do with 911 the best way to hold those people accountable. Is allowing those whose focus is on such matters as cyborg servants to "lead" the 911 truth movement really the best strategy?
You're typing out of your ass
If there are so "many articles on UFOs" on AJ's site you shouldn't have any problem linking to two or three of them, right?
Actually, I found 25
http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&q=site%3Aprisonplanet.com+...
Google is your friend, huh?
Congratulations, you found 25 instances of the word "UFO" on prison planet.
A quick scan reveals that half of those links are reprints of corporate press coverage of the truth movement - that's rich
Now would you mind linking directly to two or three of those "many articles on UFOs"?
Man, what do you think I'm saying
That I don't believe in UFOs? Or that all the stories on prisonplanet.com about UFOs are not credible so we should not trust Alex Jones? As in, he should have better UFO stories?
I'm not challenging the credibility of the UFO stories. I am saying they will be used against him.
I am saying that since he has chosen to spend his carreer investigating crp circles, chemtrails, UFOs and all kinds of other topics which require an extremely open mind, he is not a good representative, or witbness in the 911 case.
It's about perception. Now, I apologise if I offended you. But my personal feeling about AJ aside, my case is really about how Mainstreet will percieve him.
My point was what people who wish to discredit the movement will use his site and the mere fact that they even talk about UFOs to do so.
Personally, I wouldn't doubt that every story on there about UFOs is extremely credible and true.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT.
Dude, you're confused
"he has chosen to spend his carreer investigating crp circles, chemtrails, UFOs"
I don't think we're talking about the same Alex Jones.
metalious, quick! Show us a
metalious, quick! Show us a link to where Alex Jones is investigating UFOs and crop circles. Maybe he has, I've just never seen em and I've been at his site for years.
Why must you slander one of the best 9/11 Truth weapons we have out there? What does that accomplish.
And, about your Bohemian Grove details....Alex Jones says himself that the ones that are open to people like your friends who "get drunk" there are very tame in comparison to the one's only the elite can attend.
I don't know personally, but Alex Jones is hardly ever wrong about things he has researched so much on.
"A strong people needs no
"A strong people needs no leader".
- Zapata
Now you could argue (rather plausibly) that we are anything but a "strong people", but the point here is that we shouldn't be looking for leaders in the first place. A movement based on a few "leaders" can be decapitated; worse still, it can be veered into quack territory a la Fetzer, making us a laughing stock. I fully agree with you that Fetzer and his ilk do great harm to the truth movement. That’s precisely why we should not regard him or anyone else as a tour guide to the land of milk and honey. If we are to become strong we have to stop looking for people to follow and become leaders in our own right.
As for AJ, I disagree with roughly half of what AJ says (politically), but he's no Jim Fetzer. AJ is not out pimping space beams and "no planes". Your argument that he discredits the movement by virtue of his website and its various news articles does not hold water, imo. Why? Well for one, because he’s done more to spread the word about 911 than any other person, especially amongst Christians (who form the bulk of the American population.); also, because those articles on his website (though admittedly outlandish) come from mainstream news sources. It’s a brave new world, friend. Wired magazine, popular mechanics, Scientific American and other cutting journals regularly report on implantable microchips, nanotechnology, LTL’s and other fiendish technologies. Someone has to amass these stories into a pattern, and right now that person is Alex Jones.
Once again, I have profound differences of opinion with Alex Jones on numerous issues; I also think his website is a slap in the face to aesthetics and good judgment ( a “live forever” banner at the top for the page!!?? WTF?). Clearly there are better spokespersons for the movement, for instance Tarpley, Chossudovsky and Griffin.
But plurality is the name of the game. There’s room for AJ and there’s room for Schoenman and there’s room for all the rest of us.
I’d like to hear more about Bohemian Grove and your knowledge thereof. Are you aware of the book the “Franklin Coverup” and the story of an off-season snuff film in the dark woods?
The Eleventh Day of Every Month
All good points
I may be being a bit hard on Alex Jones. I just see him as an exploiter of the extreme to sell things. Speaking of his website, be sure to check out this page.
But I wasn't really coming from whether he's credible to me, but whether he would be credible to Mainstreet USA. Perhaps I should have made that clearer. But just because I believe he's either a certifiable nutjob (or a guy with a marketing niche) is irrelevent. I already believe 911 was an inside job. My interest is on selling the truth to the American public.
Which is why I am emphasizing the political aspect of this.
Look, I'm an outsider to the conspiracy movement. I have for years worked in both mainstream politics and the media and I know as well as anyone what you guys are up against. Extremely few people in power or authority takes this seriously at all. And as long as the people who somehow seem to always end up in the news or on television - Reynolds, Fetzer, MI6 Assclown, and yes, Alex Jones keep being the face of the movement, it is dead in the water.
Just for the sake of politics, and penetration into the masses, you need people who are as normal, credible and unchallenged in any other field so that the only contriversial thing is they believe 911 was an inside job. Dr Griffin is as good as it gets in this regard. Eloquent, aware of how absurd all this may sound to the uninformed, and rock solid reasonable to turn them around.
More like him please.
I love the infowars shop
I finally got my package from them today - a month late!
But they threw in a free copy of Terrorstorm to make up for it.
I got two 9/11 Was an Inside Job t-shirts and a copy of America: Freedom to Fascism.
Plus a copy of the Constitution and 3 free stickers haha
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spreadind the message
metaliuos is 100% correct. If this truth movement is going to go anywhere it needs man & women who can be believed.
I suggest this movement get's behind David Ray Griffin's book 9/11 & American Empire, intellecuals speak out. Everyone should read & push this creditable collection of work.
It was Bob Woodard's "all the president's men" that was the rock behind bringing down Nixon.
http://www.amazon.com/11-American-Empire-Intellectuals-Speak/dp/15665665...
So I have to choose one?
and get behind them?
You're OK with DRG selling books?
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Hmmmm.... very interesting
So these comments were made just about a month before the Arizona conference, when YT/cosmos was running around in a state of high anxiety trying to "launch" the "Eleventh of the Month" campaign -- something that should have been just a good viral idea and was instead turned into YT's "brand." Then, when AJ didn't pimp it to YT's satisfaction, YT was no longer nearly as pro-AJ (at least publicly.) WAC was under development at the same time -- two "brands", launched concurrently, aimed at slightly different demographics.
Two Factions?
So on the one hand we have:
Alex Jones
Jason Bermas (check out http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=90338.0)
Luke Rudkowski
We Are Change
Mark Dice
Chemtrails
Tax "Resistance"
Gun rights
NWO
etc...
And on the other:
True Faction
Jon Gold
YT
Victronix
TruthMove
11th of the Month
anti-Controlled Demolition
anti "big-tent"
"Zionist" = code for "Jew"
etc...
Ostensible diversity masking actual uniformity much?
Benefit of the doubt...
Playing devil's advocate for the moment:
a) Richard Gage is doing AE911Truth full-time... is he coming up short with regard to more legitimate/less unsavory opportunities to speak? Could he maybe write a book or something instead?
b) Multi-level marketing -- IF it's not outright illegal -- could be viewed as a type of meme-delivery device -- after all, ideas are what is usually REALLY being sold -- like this bullshit idea of "wealth mastery". Maybe he's just trying to piggyback some 9/11 skepticism onto some other viral ideas?
c) Could appearing at Sander Hicks' great Catskills Weenie Roast be more a naivete thing than an ominous thing? I'm sure Hicks was very aggressive -- he'll be trying to milk Gage for every drop of available cred-by-association. It's hard for some people to say no.
I'd like to think so...
...but if we've learned anything from this crazy "movement" it's to err on the side of caution. Were the "wealth mastery" people as aggro as Sander Hicks, offering Gage a ton of money and free trip to Jamaica on the condition that Gage had to publish a pointless article advertising their scheme? Perhaps. Or perhaps not.
More unsavory connections
Remember this?
Fulford spoke before Ricahrd Gage at the 3rd Intenrational 9/11 Truth Conference in Tokyo (poster above) and was part of a panel discussion following DRG's talk at the 2nd International conference...
note...
...I have no reason (yet) to think that Fujita himself is not above board...
I hate to say it...
... ah... so I won't.
There is an active campaign to discredit Gage and Griffin. I am sure this is part of it.
I saw Gage on a recent radio show leading out with "and the thermite... BLEW UP..." which of course is absolutely incorrect according to the "nanothermite" paper and according to Jones and even "Gregg" Roberts who are both on record saying that "nanothermite" doesn't "blow up"
So what is going on? Well, we got Roberts pushing Dwain Deets (NASA head who worked on drones and remote piloted jumbo jets) out into the mainstream of the Truth Movement and Gage having his name signed to mistaken articles and now running off to do conferences with shmucks like these.
They also recently turned AE911Truth into a 501(3)(c) not-for-profit so who knows what the corporate structure of the group is now. My guess is "Gregg' Roberts has his hands in that as well.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
I'm down to...
David Chandler and David Griffin as far as who I trust in the movement these days...
I'm down to Jerry Mazza
I'm down to Jerry Mazza because unlike Griffin hes not afraid.
I have to agree with you Gretavo...
However, I did just read "Towers of Deception" by Zwicker, I hadn't read it before, and that's good work. He really emphasises Griffin, devoting an entire chapter to him calling him a modern day prophet.
And also, to be honest, all this time I have been psuedo-defending Chomsky for his position on 9/11.. but after reading Zwicker's take on it, and reading a couple things by Chomsky for my own research, I was quite stunned at how obvious he is when it comes to his own "Manufacturing of Consent", so to speak.
Like Zwicker, I almost idolized Chomsky... to see him in that light, to see him deliberately misleading people about what happened that day and the importance of it, well, it's rather depressing.
I was in the process of writing about it, but it just depressed the shit out of me.
Anyway, I think you are correct about this... Chandler and Griffin are the only ones I trust at this point. Gage may not be conciously undermining our efforts, but "Gregg" Roberts (formerly with Jim "BELIEVE THE Pentagon O.C.T." and "1.8 Million Ceiling Tile Bombs" Hoffman) and Darcy Wearing certainly are. And if they are the ones directing Gage, well it isn't long now.
"The future is not inherited, it is achieved." JFK
Zwicker...
...lost me after I got wise to Mike Ruppert's BS, since Zwicker featured him prominently in his video The Great Conspiracy...
75% of Americans believe that a UFO
crashed near Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 (CNN/TIME MAGAZINE POLL June 1997). 80% believe that the government is hiding the existence of extraterrestrial life forms.
Chances are that David Chandler and/or David Griffin are among these "believers". What would happen if you found out that Chandler and/or Griffin actually believe in UFOs and ETs? If they don't believe in that, I wonder what other "weird" beliefs they harbor or what "weirdos" they've associated with?
I happen to abhor MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) schemes. It annoys me that at least a couple of good friends of mine think MLM is the greatest thing since sliced bread and are always trying, unsuccessfully, to get me excited about the latest and greatest MLM bullshit they just jumped onto that is "different than any other MLM before it, and it's not really MLM, blah, blah, blah..." I've decided to tolerate their interest in those pyramid schemes and ignore those imperfections as much as I can because some other people I know who are not into MLM are into other things that are as annoying, if not more so, and it's impossible to find people who are as pure as the driven snow in every way.
I'd bet dollars-to-doughnuts that either of the two Davids have attended and spoken at events organized by the likes of Sander Hicks or someone else as obnoxious...or will at some point in the future.
The whole GBA (guilt-by-association) thing is a balancing act. It wouldn't be difficult to disqualify 99.99...heck, 100% of everyone, if you really tried. If Richard Gage came out and actively tried to push LIHOP, or no-planes, then I'd dump him. In my opinion, I'd say that A&E and Richard Gage are still some of our best assets and so far they haven't done anything beyond the pale.
I find it highly unlikely....
that 75% of Americans have even heard of Roswell, let alone think a UFO crashed there. in any case here is the report of that poll--http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/
aside from saying it sampled 1024 adults and had a margin of error of plus or minus 3%, there is little revealed about the way the poll was conducted, so its hard to gauge its reliability--assuming of course it was not invented out of whole cloth, possibly to coincide with some CNN/Time parent company alien movie or TV show. I'd be curious to see any other polls conducted by other organizations to see how their results compare...
...
This guy here claims he's giving Gage debating advice.
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&I...
His website:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
I hope Gage isn't listening, or having thoughts psychically implanted in his head.
LIHOPalooza this weekend!
mark ur calendars!
2 out of 3 9/11 speakers -
Luke Rudkowski and Richard Gage are MIHOPers, so doesn't that outnumber the one LIHOPer Sander Hicks? Is it still a LIHOPalooza when 2 out of 3 are MIHOPers?
How can Sander Hicks be a
How can Sander Hicks be a LIHOPper if he endorsed CIT?
the same way...
...a leopard is still a leopard even when it puts on a striped coat....
Does he not make it
Does he not make it clear(Graham etc.) that he thinks muslims played a key role in the attacks? Talking out of both sides of your mouth is kind of LIHOPpy to me.
get an agent
Does anyone not think hicks is an agent?
Let's see...
1. The forward to his 911 book the big wedding was written by an ex us gov. Propaganda agent and sander's buddy anthony lappe
2. He and ruppert pimped delanart vreeland goose chase
3. He was behind the randy glass goose chase
4. In 2006 he was anti cd on the 5th anniversary of the attcks
5. He's behind the dr. Grahm goose chase
All of hicks goose chases point at muslims and pakistan. Only recently was he forced to adjust his approach.
Look at the grahm report then ask yourself why on earth does sander get invited to do spaeking engagements? It doesn't make sense that sander gets a pass on such obviously bogus info but info like that by cit gets thrown under the bus by blogger and others.
Hicks may qualify as a pimp,
Hicks may qualify as a pimp, a whore and several other things too, but he's not a LIHOPper when he endorses CIT.
ummmm... once a LIHOPper always a LIHOPper
unless you explicitly disavow your prior LIHOPpery. Hicks is CLEARLY up to no good. "I endorse CIT" are not magic words that suddenly bestow credibility on someone.
Credibility , no. But is
Credibility , no. But is Judy Wood a LIHOPper? Or does Judy Wood have credibility? This sounds like another apples and oranges mix-up here.
if Judy Wood endorsed CIT...
...she would still be, in my estimation, a dishonest proponent of "Directed Energy Weapons" and "dustification" of the steel. Hicks has been a LIHOPper all of his truthing life. To allow him to shed the very accurate label by simply chanting the mantra "I support CIT" would be foolish in the extreme.
Is this the underlying function of CIT?
Is endorsing CIT now a get-out-of-Islamophobia-free card?
well....
...it means he is definitely much more honest than the CIT-bashers... uhh, is that the right answer?
Actually, I think the guy
Actually, I think the guy vouching for Hicks is in fact his agent. Is that the case other anonymouse?
Obvious Disinformation
Hicks and others started their 911 Truth careers by blaming the Muslims for 9/11/2001. His past work seems like obvious disinformation and carefully planned psyops to me. Look up his series on Delmart Vreeland, then read "The Graham Report" in it's entirety. It's not very long and it's laughable.
They are both disgustingly LIHOP and obviously bogus disinformation goose chases, IMO. These things should be albatrosses on Sanders neck. Remember, he wasn't just casually pointing people towards Delmart Vreeland. He was on the scene driving around with Delmart in a limo. He didn't just casually point people to The Graham Report. He was on the scene in Shrevport in order to show us all the Graham saw Hijackers names before 9/11 and was poisoned by the FBI because of it. I think Hicks got arrested when he was there in Shrevport which is how these people build cred for themselves.
But, because he's merely 'blamed the Muslims' for the past 7 years it's not a big deal. That's how the fake 911 Truth movement works. It's ok to 'blame the Muslims' for 9/11/2001.
poetic license, man
how about faketruthapalooza?
there are more than 3 speakers
and in my view they have all lost credibility by supporting a Sander Hicks-organized event. Some, like Luke Rudkowski had little credibility left anyway (he lost whatever he had after going off to support the criminal Ed Brown). it seems that many MIHOPpers are in fact doing everything they can to make 9/11 truth look like a bunch of Alex Jones-type weirdos. This, perhaps, to make the Zionist LIHOP brigade (Jon Gold, Cosmos, and the rest of the TruePutrefaction crowd) look like the "reasonable truthers".
fool me once, can't get fooled again.
If DRG attended this event
would you say the same thing about DRG - that he has lost all credibility? I'm pretty sure DRG has attended events in the past organized by the likes of Sander Hicks, or possibly by someone even worse. DRG has co-authored a book call "Secret History of 9/11" with Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed and other LIHOPpers. Does that discredit him? I'm sure David Chandler has had similar associations/associates.
I'm just trying to ascertain where you draw the line on associations/associates that would determine when someone is discredited, and why Richard Gage has crossed that line so much more seriously than other people.
This gave me pause as well...
I initially misread gretavo's post as "they lost all credibility" when it is actually "they all lost credibility." Meaning all of them lost SOME credibility, which they surely did, in my eyes, including Richard Gage. I'd like to chalk his involvement up to wanting to seize every opportunity to get his message out there, yadda yadda, but again I'm also thinking "fooled me once -- can't get fooled again."
ding ding ding
thanks Cass. Exactly. they all lost some credibility. some had less to begin with. DRG would also lose some if he attended. anyone who reads this site knows that I do not trust Griffin 100% if only because I know everyone is fallible and can make mistakes. if one observes a pattern, one might infer that it is not a case of simple mistakes. Gage has started to show a bit of a pattern of poor judgment. One of the first things that bothered me about him is that he promoted truthaction at the end of the blueprint for truth lecture. lately he has promoted his appearance at a pyramid scheme-esque organization's event. now he's attending a Sander Hicks production. not good, and DRG hasn't come close to doing anything like it. what's next, I have to wonder?
i am sorry to remind
but at that Wayne PA Betsy Metz=sponsored event going back about a year and a half ago in April, DRG was closely associating with John Gold and Sander Hicks...Gold on one side standing with folded arms in body-guard mode next to podium where DRG made his presentation, and Sander on the other side of podium, the over-the-top hypomanic host announcer...and, and...and DRG handing over the cash from every book sale to Sander with wide-arm gestures, theatrically waving the bills in the air...here, take another 20, here take another 20, here take another 20... it was really, really strange. and there was some spook dude who followed me out the door, staring.
supreme weirdness
What a buffoon that Hicks is. Some people just can't say no, I guess. And, hasn't Jon Gold been essentially accusing DRG of being a peddler of disinfo and "damaging conspiracy theories that hurts the movement" for the last couple of years? Weird.
Sander Hicks published on Alternet
We all know Alternet is 100% anti-truth, so why would they allow Sander Hicks to spew on their site? Hmmm, I wonder?
Hicks is also frequently published on Huffington Post
His last 2 articles are:
Freelance Christian of the Street: Rev. Ian Alterman
Sander Hicks - 08/02/2010 09:49 PM
The Life of Luna, Holocaust Survivor
Sander Hicks - 06/01/2010 11:44 AM
Now, why would Huffington Post, one of the most blatant anti-truth publications of the controlled left media regularly publish articles from one of the more high profile 9/11 "truth" personalities, when Huffington Post has never shown any love for any 9/11 truth personality, or any real 9/11 truth period?
I'm sure David Ray Griffin would love to be able to publish on Huffington Post, and so would Barrie Zwicker for that matter...but LIHOP assclown Sander Hicks? No problemo! Hey, Sander Hicks' agent - other annoymouse, what do you say about that? Hello?
how to nobble the truth movement
the best way to nobble the truth movement is not direct confrontation or denial but rather infiltration, cognitive infiltration. This involves insinuating information that is incongruous, inconsistent, confusing, or self-contradictory.
The purveyors of such information attempt to garner credibility by ostensibly advocating 9/11 truth and overtly aligning themselves with actual truth activists. Their objective is to discredit the truth movement by creating internal divisions and provoking factional conflicts.
There are plenty such agents actively engaged in undermining the truth movement and many have worked their way into high profile positions within the movement.
aye, indubitably
n/t