Help Please My Head Hurts
I'm having a really hard time wrapping my brain around this site:
http://representativepress.org/BowingDebunksExplosives.html
At first I was like--YEAH, finally someone promoting the TRUTH about 9/11, who doesn't focus on the WTC demolition--in fact he makes some pretty strong arguments that there WAS no demolition. He also makes clear that we WERE attacked by filthy arab muslim terrorists--so far so good. But THEN he reveals himself as a typical crypto-Nazi JEW HATER by saying the reason the evil terrorists attacked us was because there's YOU GUESSED IT a ZIONIST conspiracy to control America's foreign policy. I wasn't sure if linking to this guy's otherwise brilliant site would make the movement look all bad and anti-semitic. What do people think?
dude...
you're funny, FG.
But you forgot to BOLDFACE your ALL CAPS words for ADDED EMOTION.
ETA: FINALLY.
I fixed it for him.
He was suffering from flattened affect.
no, YOU dude...
don't you have any respect for people who put their bodies up against the gears of the machine? I make a point of NEVER reading the "site that shall not be named true faction" but I be they don't appreciate you mocking one of their stars. do you think it's EASY to see all your fake truthing fall to crap around you as the realization sinks in that no, you aren't as smart as you thought you were, and that the people you work for didn't have it all figured out? I bet they're feeling a bit nervous and frayed at the edges about now, Adam, considering how well documented their farce is. From trying to squelch discussion and publicization of the demolition of the WTC to the pushing of the official BS about real hijackings and the attempts to frame *other* muslims, even a dimwit will be able to figure out what their scheme was all along once the truth is widely known, which it will be before long. Don't you get it, Adam? They're F***CKED! They don't appreciate your making light of their screwedness, OK?
Still unclear on the meaning of the term "sockpuppet"
Some people are, that is. It doesn't help that you pretty much called it quits as ringmaster of your own sockpuppet circus, Adam -- they were just starting to grasp the concept. Oh well.
Oh, I still post
as "kameelyun" on a number of places including amazon, random comments pages and the cannabis legalization forum I post at, yahooka.com.
In fact, kameelyun is my main ego there, and my alter ego, who's made about 30+ posts since mid 2004, is "Adolf W. Hitler." Adolf's spoiled son likes to peek his head out once in a blue moon.
So even though I called it quits in this arena, my sockpuppetry can still be viewed here:
http://www.yahooka.com/forum/politics-current-affairs/155897-daryl-gates...
[EDIT: deleted cut and pasta... people can click on the link to read the non-9/11 related material, sorry Adam!]
There should be evidence in
There should be evidence in audio tapes and photographs of this supporting Shyam-Sunder's claim, right? Or, do Powerpoint diagrams and animations suffice?
http://www.downloadic.com/?do=search&subaction=search&story=animation+wt...
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Peter Jennings reports bending and peeling like a banana
http://www.youtube.com/user/JonathonMoseley - In this ABC News clip broadcast on 9/11, ABC reports that NYC Police could SEE that the World Trade Center twin towers were obviously going to collapse, just by looking at them. NYC police saw towers were bending
I'm not sure what they're getting at...
If I had been there and heard and seen all those bombs going off all over the building I might have guessed they were going to be coming down--the proper question would be WHY were the columns buckling, not WERE the columns buckling. I have argued before that the massive explosion in the basement, by disconnecting many or most of the core columns from the bedrock would have transferred the load to the remaining core columns and the perimeter columns. If you then blew the core columns at the impact zone, that would be the "straw that broke the camels back", or that made the perimeter columns begin to buckle at the impact zone. No mystery here afaict....
hypocrisy 101
Jon Gold is complaining that we unjustly suggest that his speculation that genuine Arab and Muslim terrorists or intelligence operatives is a sign of anti-Arab and Muslim bigotry.
Problem is, he and his friends at True Faction routinely do the same, with less cause, when it comes to those of us who insist on exposing the role played by Zionists--partisans of Israel--in 9/11. They are constantly insinuating if not flat out saying that when we say Zionists it's really a code for "Jew".
Now, Jon Gold links in his comment above to a post he put up on his own website that includes the following:
Let's play with that text a bit shall we?
The fake truthers will as always resort to special pleading. They will say, as I mentioned above, that "Zionist" really means Jew, even though it is clear that the Zionist state of Israel does not own the world's Jews, nor is any Jew obliged to support the existence of a racist apartheid "Jewish" state. Essentially what those like the fake truthers of True Faction are saying is that criticism of Zionism is fine as long as it is ineffective--but if that criticism should extend to considering the possibility that 9/11 was engineered by and for Zionists, then it will be assumed that those expressing that view are in fact not blaming Zionists but Jews generally--regardless of anything they say to make clear that is not the case.
Fake sites that DO promote hatred and suspicion of Jews like Mike Delaney's Prothink and his film Missing Links have most likely been created (like the Protocols themselves) to serve as a straw man, to promote the idea that any criticism of Zionists is in fact just veiled Jew-hatred. If those fake sites create real Jew-hatred that is icing on the cake for the Zionists because genuine anti-semitism means less having to fake attacks against Jewish people as part of their protection racket.
zoink
The problem for Jon Gold, besides his delusions about hidden Jew Hatred being all around, is Arabs are being slaughtered daily because he and much of America and the world can't bring themselves to admit that the Arab world was BLAMED for the attacks on 9/11/2001. Helping perpetuate this lie is, to me, more disgraceful then what fake losers like ProtStink.org...who have been marginalized for decades and have no real influence what so ever.
The irony here is that there IS anti-Muslim propaganda everywhere. Turn on the TV and watch the history channel, watch National Geographic, watch the religious nuts all attribute 9/11 to the evil Muslims and provide a horrible backdrop of anti-Muslim videos and slick productions.
This lie has killed over 500,000 people in the Arab world in just 10 years. Bodies are being added to the pile every day. Reconciling this by pointing out the lie should be a top priority to anyone involved with 9/11 Truth.
That post by Rancho Truth was very telling.
Not only does he make the pathetically transparent insinuation that when we say Zionists we really mean "da Joooz" but in addition he flat out admits to being (as a moderator at 911blogger) "on a mission" to "flush out" discussion along this avenue and also to marginalize the Pentagon issue. Gotta give him props for honesty I suppose!
And of course he propagandistically lumps the Zionism and Pentagon issues in with "spaces beams" and "no planes [i.e. hologram planes, TV fakery]."
Even though I've been guilty of it, I'm not the biggest fan of name calling, but damn, if it isn't BS like above that makes me say to myself, "And they wonder why people call them True Faction!"
For awhile, I have to admit I was turned off by this site's labeling of certain sites and people as "fake truthers," because it seemed very accusatory and of course at the end of the day you could always be wrong.
For me, it was the whole CIT issue that made me see who was genuine and who wasn't. A year ago at this time, I began to follow their work and I was noticing the ban of discussion of their stuff at truthaction and the "official" consensus there that CIT was "disinfo." I also saw them make the claim that "no serious researcher supported their work." As I was in contact with Craig privately, I knew the up-and-coming "endorsements" would blow that claim right out of the water.
I figured, if these truthaction people are genuine, they'll do a double take and think, "Hmm, these people who are endorsing CIT are not stupid by any stretch. There must be a very compelling reason why they support this video. Maybe I should give this NSA presentation a chance and see what it is that compelled these major figures to endorse this, and perhaps re-evaluate my position on the Pentagon."
But instead, once the endorsements were posted, the truthaction cabal redoubled their venom against CIT, barraged the endorsers with angry e-mails pressuring them to retract, and aggressively downvoted anyone who disagreed.
For Cosmos to call CIT's work "disinfo" and "garbage" even after people like Peter Dale Scott and Richard Gage had endorsed it, absolutely reeks of, well, disinfo and garbage. I remember Jon Gold posting somewhere that he was so enraged, he instantly e-mailed Peter Dale Scott and the other endorsers, "demanding" an explanation.
And of course, after the endorsements, the official truthaction line had to turn from "no serious researcher supports them" but instead that "Craig and Aldo are genius level snake oil salesmen who have successfully CONNED Richard Gage and company into endorsing disinfo."
Sorry for the digression away from Zionism and onto CIT, but in light of the post by Rancho Truth that you pasted, in which he declared it his mission to flush out and marginalize the Pentagon issue as well as the Zionism issue, I thought it very instructive especially for our newer readers (I'm looking at you, LillyAnn!) to go down that tangent.
I liked your "playing with the text" Gret. Spot on.
Lost it while editing
Adam, I wrote you a long post and while previewing it I somehow lost it!!! Sorry, I haven't time to rewrite it.
Lillyann
Where goes
I am new to all of these factions within the 911 movement. Adam, I am nog at all bothered by any Jon golds or Eric larsons.
To me, we have all been fed disinformation and outright lies from our earliest childhood. (parents, teachers, churches, government and so on). They may or may not have meant well, it doesn't really matter. It can't prevent anyone from owning his own inherent intelligence. And from deciding to uncondition himself from the society's lies and delusions.
I simply follow my own intelligence here at 911truth as I do in all areas of my life. The liars and fools will always be there to lure us away from the truth of what really is.
Adam, I am very new to the whole Zionist thing, although I an slowly learning. The Pentagon is what I mostly pay close attention to. I agree with you, the cit issue calls us all out! And I love that.
The first day I posted on blogger I found myself fighting with Jon gold....and the outcome thT day was great- Jon gold is sooooo mad, he quits!!! Haha.
In a recent thread that you posted on. "Staying reasonable with 911truth". ...John bursi was trashing Pft, I posted, was voted way down as was Alison, Adam ruff and you. Topgun came to my rescue and Adam Ruff refused to back down. "the truth is, after all the years in this movement I don't listen to the cred police anymore. I just ignore them. I have found
most of their arguments to be just as suspect as the ones they are attacking and in some cases complete bunk. I recommend all truthers do the research and make up their own minds about cit, pft, Alex jones, the pentagon attack, the Mossad, and all the rest, becAuse in the endthe only information you can really trust is the information that convinces you". Well said!!
I said to John bursill, "what is working, John, is sincere truth seekers in all shapes and sizes continuing on, refusing to go away or back down. I appreciate AE911Truth and I also value an old man of eighty wondering....just wondering!!
John came back.... "you don't know me from a bar of soap". "Jon gold has given his life to the campaign". "Gold got his ass arrested for Bobby who died on 911". I said, "when Jon gold quit 911blogger, who was he helping ?".
So here I am, Adam, still studying, listening, discerning, trusting my own inclinations to what is true.
Thanks for your invaluable contributions to the movement!
Lillyann
BLOWBACK THEORIST UNDER ATTACK BY ZIONISTS!!
He should talk to some of the True Faction people--they have lots of experience dealing with false-flag fake anti-truthers!
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The Gold n' Cosmos Show
Doesn't seem to be very popular at 911blogger.com. You'd think one of their meat puppets would be at least telling them what a great job they did going into the official 9/11 giftshop and making the point that Flight 77 did in fact hit the Pentagon because one of the books on sale there says tehre were bodies in seats...
it's weird though...
normally videos starring obnoxious a-holes who like to smell their own sh*t are extremely popular... what gives? and where the hell is that Site Run by Veterans of this Movement™ they promised months ago?
We've seen the parody, now let's see the real thing...
This is his post that initiated the conversation in which he sung high praises for Yours Truly:
Funny how he'd never heard of Firefighters for 9/11 truth. Hel-LO? Where have you been the past year?
I got a good chuckle here:
ETA: The "debunking"video he posted is a total joke, mostly attempting to discredit the medium (Bentham).
Go right to 10:48 in the video. The narrator actually says: "I do not intend to deal with the contents of [the nanothermite] paper."
Re the thermite itself, it's the standard stuff about how thermite is an incindiary not an explosive, and while the narrator acknowledges that "nano" thermite could be used as an explosive, he then simply appeals to incredulity briefly and then veers onto trying to discredit Bentham.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyKTMnKCexs
He fixed his privacy settings within the last 90 minutes or so
after I had a chance to give his wall a cursory look-see. I wonder how he knew you were discussing it since none of them ever read this site?
Bwahahaha.
And is this the same video that Col. Jenny posted?
Bwahahahahahahah!!!
Bwahahahahahahah!!!
I know, what a coincidence! Given that he even says he never gives this site the time of day.
Did Sparks post that vid? I missed it.
ETA
Ah yes, I see it now. Her first post in months tries to discredit the movement's most incriminating evidence.
ETA 2:
I see Jon does clarify that he has heard of firefightersfor911truth but doesn't know anything about them.
Well Jon, they are firefighters, for 9/11 truth. Founded by Seattle based firefighter Erik Lawyer. Here's another subtle fact: They believe CD brought down the WTC.
Glad to provide you with a small amount of enlightenment for the day.
I love it that real truth
I love it that real truth sleuths are smoking out the disinfo agents and giving them no place to blabber their lies without being called out.
yep. let's not forget what the issue is, too.
do people like jon gold discourage focusing on the buildings for the sake of the movement and the truth? or do they do it to protect whoever is ultimately responsible for their explosive destruction? the answer to that question is the difference between an idiot and a criminal.