Adnan Khashoggi, GCN, the Protocols, Alex Jones, and the 9/11 Truth Movement

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From "Information Overload" on word press... Read through to the end!

Sunday, July 8th, 2007...11:18 pm

Adnan Khashoggi is the individual who owns Genesis Communications Network, famous for hosting such heavyweight radio personalities as Alex Jones, self proclaimed “Grandfather of the 9/11 Truth Movement,” and Jeff Rense.

According to a 2004 article by Daniel Hopsicker from MadCow Morning News:

“Info on Khashoggi runs the gamut from the ridiculous to the sinister. To get the serious stuff out of the way first:

Khashoggi was among a number of prominent Arab businessmen, like Khalid Mahfouz, who agreed to continue what have been described by US intelligence officials as “protection payments” to bin Laden at a meeting in Paris in 1998, said London’s Sunday Business Post October 7, 2001.

…

Even Khashoggi’s guru has CIA connections, we learned: the vastly rich swami has been under official suspicion in the assassination of Indian Premier Rajiv Ghandi, and was even arrested by Indian police for currency fraud.

Adnan Khashoggi revealed: He is wanted in Thailand, where he was convicted for fraud in absentia; is currently being sued, in a major and well-publicized case in Federal Court in Minneapolis for what may turn out to be criminal fraud; reportedly, he is also currently the subject of a massive investigation being conducted by the U.S. Attorney in Los Angeles.

Add to that the recently declassified American intelligence report from 1991 listing the top 100 drug traffickers and associates. It included lawyers, right-wing paramilitary fighters, a Peruvian rebel commander, a Colombian singer, a pre-dead Pablo Escobar, a pre-jailbird Manuel Noriega… and Adnan Khashoggi.”

Further quoting the same article,

“From their base in Tampa Florida, Khashoggi and El Batrawi controlled a network of companies, all using the word “Genesis” in their name. The number of Khashoggi-owned Genesis companies we’ve found keeps growing. There is, or was, Genesis Aviation, Inc., Genesis Aviation II, Genesis Diversified Investments, Genesis Studio and Production Corp., Genesis Media Group, Genesis Properties, Genesis Intermedia; GenesisIntermedia.com.; Genesis Delaware; Genesis Florida… The list, it do go on. And on.”

…

And then there’s the Genesis Communications Network. There’s actually two of them, seemingly unrelated, but they’re so extremely similar in the fraud department to each other and to “Saudi Genesis” that the relationship appears strongly familial. We’re still uncertain as to how close they all are; kissing cousins, at the very least.

The first GCN is a so-called “patriot” network hosting Alex Jones and Dave Van Kliest, the, ah, the individual fronting for the latest See the Flash extravaganza, advertisements for which are spamming the Internet at a rate that must be causing concern among conservationists of our digital landscape of ‘1’s and ‘ 0’s.’

VanKliest is our pick for Disinfotainer of the Year… an especial honor, considering that there was some fierce competition. Of course, “See the Flash Dave” from the powerhour, like Alex Jones, is part of the GENESIS Communications Network.

As if that weren’t enough, evidence from an investigation into the death of Princess Diana indicates that Dodi Al Fayed was the nephew of none other than Adnan Khashoggi. The following quote is from the blog Shaphan, in a 2006 article entitled “Collision or Collusion:”

“Adnan Khashoggi. Not named by Stevens. But he turns up, I think, in the evidence of Richard Tomlinson [p.827]. In 1992 I was working on an operation to recover high-tech weapons from the former Soviet Union. This operation was being conducted in collaboration with a very powerful arms dealer whose exact identity I did not know. When I read the file I discovered that this arms dealer was in very frequent contact with Mr Mohamed Al Fayed. I saw that the MI6 informant supplying this information had a code beginning with P, followed by several numbers. As this source was mentioned several times I tried to find out who it was. It was a Frenchman who was head of security at the Ritz Hotel. Stevens discounts the part about the P source in the Ritz but doesn’t address or dispute the claim about the “very powerful” arms dealer whom Al-Fayed saw ‘very frequently’. Al-Fayed’s first wife Samira, the mother of Dodi Fayed, was Adnan Khashoggi’s sister. According to the Paget Report, Dodi had bought a £130k engagement ring for Diana that afternoon and intended proposing imminently. The Daily Express newspaper [caveat lector] cites an author who alleges that Dodi spoke with his Uncle Adnan (by phone?) on the evening of his death - i.e. they were close. The possibility that princes William and Harry would be spending their adolescent summers in Adnan Khashoggi’s mansion in Monaco would have been motive enough for Edinburgh, Blair and MI6 to act to prevent it, for justifiable reasons of national security.” Shaphan, Collision or Collusion, 19 December, 2006, Revised 8 January, 2007.

To top it all off we have evidence that Khashoggi is connected to former Nazis, the Bilderberg Group, Japanese Yakuza, and President Marcos of the Philippines, famous as a dictator from 1960 to 1982. Quoting from Yeadon and Hawkings’ 2004 book, The Nazi Hydra in America - How America’s Right Wing Politicians are Plunging the Country Into a Fascist Police State,

“The Bilderberg group held its first meeting in 1954. The Bilderberg group was founded by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands and former
officer in the SS. Bernhard had also worked in I.G. Farben’s notorious NW7 group, which served as spies for the Third Reich. The Prince
is also associated with the Knights of Templar, through its Dutch variety. Bernhard was appointed to govern the Dutch order in 1954.
John Foster Dulles was reported to have been one of the most helpful Americans in establishing the Bilderberg group. Incidentally, in
1954 Dulles testified in favor of a bill designed to return vested enemy assets such as GAF, to their previous owners. From the beginning,
the Bilderberg group had several members of the intelligence community associated with it. Sir Colin Gubbins, Britian’s wartime SOE
head, was a founding member. Walter Bedell Smith was a co-chairman of the group in the US. (644)”

“A partial list of significant events of 1954 follows: After learning about the Japanese treasures in November 1953, Marcos starts digging
for gold in the Philippines. Fred Meuser, Lockheed’s European Director, transfers to Geneva to live, this event figures in later. The Four-
Power Treaty is signed in Paris to terminate the occupation regime in Germany. Germany joins NATO. Geneva Accord reached regarding
peace between France and Indochina. Additionally, 1954 was the year that Edward Landsdale arrived in Vietnam to take over the opium
trade. The Israeli Mossad and US CIA formed an intelligence “partnership.” Nazi gold was moved from Argentina to the Philippines in
1954 after the Mosad determined it was located in Argentina. (645)”

“One of the earliest documents attesting to Marcos’s recovering the treasure of the Golden Lily is a gold certificate dated 1956. (646)”

“Another gold certificate was issued on January 17, 1963 by Unions Bank of Switzerland. The certificate was issued to Adnan Kasogi.
Adnan Kasogi was actually Adnan Khashoggi, a Marcos crony. Khashoggi’s name was misspelled, but that is often the case in these
certificates. Khashoggi was a Lockheed agent and partner of Yoshio Kodama. Kodama was a Japanese rear admiral during the war and
also a member of the Japanese Yakuza crime clan. Kodama was charged with shipping the loot to the Philippines during the war. This
gold certificate was issued just before Lockheed paid the first known bribe to Prince Bernhard. Lockheed was being used by the CIA to
funnel money worldwide. Moreover, Lockheed’s European Sales Director, Dutchman Fred Meuser, had been a member of Prince
Bernhard’s wartime air force squadron. An additional member of the Lockheed bribe team was CIA officer Nicholas Deak. Deak had
founded a money brokering firm that was used to funnel money to Kodama. Deak’s company later merged with Lionel C. Perera, who
founded the money firm of Perera, Manfra & Brookes. Perera was attached to the Chief of Military Government Finance Office at the
Third Army’s headquarters in Germany at war’s end, where he interviewed Colonel Rauch. Rauch was the SS colonel responsible for
hiding the Reich Bank gold reserves. (646)”

Now just recently, we have a report from the Times Online: Egyptian billionaire ‘who spied for Mossad’ found dead.

Here’s the kicker: Adnan Khashoggi was one of his associates.

An Egyptian billionaire financier who feared for his life after being accused of being a Mossad spy was found dead outside his Mayfair flat yesterday in suspicious circumstances.

Ashraf Marwan, the son-in-law of the late President Gamel Abdel Nasser, was found beneath his fourth-floor flat in Carlton House Terrace.

Police were treating his death as suspicious. Friends of Mr Marwan, a former shareholder in Chelsea Football Club, said that he had feared assassination after being named three years ago as an agent during the Yom Kippur war.

Rumours of his death circulated in London’s Arab community last night. Some believe that he may have taken his life after a serious illness was diagnosed.

Mr Marwan’s death will send shockwaves across the Middle East and among some of Britain’s wealthiest people. His associates included Adnan Khashoggi, the arms dealer, Ken Bates, the football club chairman, the Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and the late Tiny Rowland.

At this point I would like to broach the subject of The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, or as one author, Laura Knight Jadczyk, has called them, The Protocols of the Pathocrats, in her February 2006 editorial by the same title. I agree with her statement:

“In this week’s podcast we discuss what we have identified as the very first problem that must be solved in order for positive changes to be undertaken in American and elsewhere in the world: the Media.

Knowledge is power. Those who control information can control the masses; it’s that simple.

As we researched the subject of the media, we came across The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. As everyone knows, this is a vicious anti-Semitic hoax. We agree. We do not for a minute think that this represents Judaism or ordinary Jewish people.

What was shocking for us was our realization that the Protocols is being implemented almost line by line by many of the members of the Bush Administration and the various government ‘think-tanks’ that formulate their policy. In other words, the Protocols is not a hoax because it is nonsense, but rather it is only a hoax because it was attributed to Jews.

Here, we present the text of Protocol 12 from which several excerpts were read on the podcast and which we jokingly referred to as “The Gospel According to Karl Rove.”

Read it and understand that this is, indeed, the number one issue that America must deal with before they can do a single other thing.”

This is not to say that there are not Zionists involved in the plan to bring about a one world goverment. I would like to focus on one particular portion of Protocol 12, which pertains to control of the press.

“8. Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralize the injurious influence of the privately-owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind …. If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in no wise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

9. In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.

10. In the second rank will be the semi-official organs, whose part it will be to attack the tepid and indifferent.

11. In the third rank we shall set up our own, to all appearance, opposition, which, in at least one of its organs, will present what looks like the very antipodes to us. Our real opponents at heart will accept this simulated opposition as their own and will show us their cards.

12. All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions — aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists …. Like the Indian idol “Vishnu” they will have a hundred hands, and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will, in fact, follow the flag which we hang out for them.”

In light of all of this, certain questions need to be asked:

* Can we honestly consider any radio personality broadcasting on GCN to be free of ulterior motives, such as Alex Jones gatekeeping[1] in terms of Mossad connections to 9/11, or steering the 9/11 Truth Movement into ineffectiveness and hyper-emotional states of mind?
* Can anyone who holds any position of prominence within GCN’s management, be considered free of ulterior motives and/or ties to the rogue network? I’m looking at you, Ted Anderson.
* I have one more question, which I ask you all to consider deeply: Is the real role of Genesis Communications Network to “present what looks like the very antipodes” to the power elite of the Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy?

Don’t answer right away. Just think about it. For those of you who are wondering, I don’t think that Daryl Bradford Smith is much better as a source of information; he covers Zionism, but falls into racism and hate speech. The issue of Zionism must be approached delicately and precisely in order to be fought properly.

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Footnotes:

1. During a broadcast of Infowars on February 18, 2007, Alex Jones made the following statement:

“Watson: …and the Jewish Conspiracy angle.

Alex Jones: Now let’s be clear. Neither I, Avery or Fetzer, uh, think it’s an Israeli attack. In fact, they’ve had national polls of people who believe it’s an inside job, 7% believe Israel was involved. “

The broadcast from which this excerpt was obtained can be downloaded from here. Start listening at 84:30 to hear the exact quote.

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dicktater's picture

Someone may find this useful...

http://infoload.wordpress.com/2007/07/08/adnan-khashoggi-gcn-the-protocols-alex-jones-and-the-911-truth-movement/

if just for the formatting alone.

--
"But truthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on Building No. 7."
~~ Dr. Shyam Sunder - Acting Director Building and Fire Research Laboratory (NIST)

gretavo's picture

good call, thanks

Also, I liked what I saw on that blog so I added it to the right hand column with the other RSS feeds...

Interesting to say the least about Khashoggi owning GCN... vindication for the "playa hatas" like me?

Annoymouse's picture

Khashoggi

Where is the info that Khashoggi owns the GCN network originally coming from?

-em7

gretavo's picture

not sure yet

here's an interesting article i found while looking... http://www.christianmediaresearch.com/jones.html

does anyone know who DOES own GCN, if not Khashoggi? This shouldn't be too mysterious if they're legit, right?

Big_D's picture

You might also find this interesting.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/

gretavo's picture

wow--great page tehre

here's another good one from OD: http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2332

Big_D's picture

Yeah, I've had OD bookmarked for a couple years.

Though I don't agree with everything they profess, there's some good info to be found there. I remember I found them when, after being called a 'holocaust denier' (For merely mentioning the Mossad dancers.) for the umpteenth time, I decided to research the subject for myself.

gretavo's picture

Hopsicker I guess?

http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html

The C’mon Back Scandal Revisited

And then there's the Genesis Communications Network. There's actually two of them, seemingly unrelated, but they're so extremely similar in the fraud department to each other and to "Saudi Genesis" that the relationship appears strongly familial. We're still uncertain as to how close they all are; kissing cousins, at the very least.

The first GCN is a so-called "patriot" network hosting Alex Jones and Dave Van Kliest, the, ah, the individual fronting for the latest See the Flash extravaganza, advertisements for which are spamming the Internet at a rate that must be causing concern among conservationists of our digital landscape of '1's and ' 0's.'

VanKliest is our pick for Disinfotainer of the Year… an especial honor, considering that there was some fierce competition. Of course, "See the Flash Dave" from the powerhour, like Alex Jones, is part of the GENESIS Communications Network. ( gcnlive.com ) ( genesis radio hosts )

He reminds us of Tattoo from Fantasy Island, pointing and shouting “De Plane! De Plane!”

When we fingered this checkered crew in last week's story for involvement in what we termed the “C’mon back scandal,” we hadn't meant it literally... So we clearly underestimated them, because they’re not above personally getting behind the wheel when the opportunity arises to “to back up a truck.”

They're involved in an internecine scandal, documented on the web at some length by “Christians” for whom time must hang heavy during the long Montana winter... "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:15," their screed began.

“Christian Media has repeatedly sought to expose the treachery at the Genesis Communications Network…They stole their original equipment from another patriot network named Republic Radio. Fraudulently claiming they had purchased the network, the management of Genesis literally backed up a U-Haul, and loaded up the broadcasting equipment while the rightful owner was out of town!”

Lily Tomlin, Prophetess of Our Times, said, “No matter how cynical I get I just can’t keep up.”

Welcome Back to “Honk-if-You-Love-Jesus World.”

GCN programming “broadly ranges from provocative politics to gardening, health and pop culture, and targets specific audiences with useful guidelines for surviving & prospering in an increasingly complex and challenging political and socio-economic environment."

The Exec VP at Genesis Communications Network in Minnesota is Michael@midasreport.com ( Midas Report ) We noticed the address at the bottom. Mike with the “Midas Touch” shares the same address as another website called "BRIDGES FOR PEACE," where you can "VISIT ISRAEL WITHOUT LEAVING YOUR COMPUTER."

Bridges For Peace is a Jerusalem-based, Bible-believing Christian organization supporting Israel and building relationships between Christians and Jews worldwide through education and practical deeds expressing God's love and mercy…

Whatever these people think they’re doing its clear their mind is on only one thing: TAKING THE RUBES FOR A RIDE. WARNING: The following links should not be clicked on by anyone with difficulty metabolizing sugar, or who are allergic to gagging…

celebratelove.com mymasterytvnet.com
mymasterytvbiz.com celebrateintimacy.com
authorsandspeakersnetwork.com

gretavo's picture

here's Hopsicker on Michael Chertoff

http://www.madcowprod.com/01122004.html

Hopsicker seems to be all about limited hangout, focusing on the hijackers and ties between bin Laden and the american gov... little to no mention of Silverstein...

seems we just have to consider what he says with an eye to verifying and triangulating with other sources...

Annoymouse's picture

hopsicker

yes i agree. I kinda doubt his credibility, tbh...
Hmmm:
http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/2006/05/daniel-hopsicker-is-government-mole.html

(...i have not read it all yet, nor do i want to advocate it, but, might be worth checking it out... also, its not my intention to defend GCN here, as i DO think they are highly dodgy...)

-em7

gretavo's picture

i doubt everyone's credibility

the only reason I even bother looking into their claims is because i feel that what makes the most sense given that info is hard to hide is that info is out there just all scrambled, by having a bunch of different and contradictory voices promoting all kinds of good info mixed with bad info. i see our role as real honest truthers to sort out the mess. that's why we can't let ourselves get bogged down in loyalties to any one of these characters. the facts are the facts, and can be verified. we've seen over and over how someone, like AJ for example, can give us perfectly good info on the OKCity bombing and then go off on a series of silly Luciferian rants. Doesn't mean tehre weren't bombs inside the Murrah building, which no one can credibly deny. So is AJ really putting the perps in danger by revealing OKCity and part of 9/11? Not at all. He is just one player in a game of elites to discredit one another and thus gain the upper hand over each other. We'd like it to be simpler of course but reality is far from simple.

So let's keep the dialogue open and unfettered by disinfo or hysteria...

Annoymouse's picture

hes helping to put them in

hes helping to put them in danger in the long run if you consider how many people hes woken up to certain, if not all lies around OKC,9/11 etc. no hysteria here, but if AJ is working for "them" then he is doing and has always been doing a terrible job for them and should be fired now for helping to wake up so many people(luciferian rants and all,he has,that cant be disputed). personally speaking, AJ helped to knock me out of my slumber so maybe thats why i feel the need to stick up for him, ive seen first hand the positive effects. i dont take him as gospel but he helped expose me to some terrible truths. by all means try and find out who really pays him, who really owns GCN etc. but dont conveniently ignore what good he has done. i also disagree with his occult,secret society,luciferian rants and feel that he hurts his message by going on said rants(not to mention his global warming and immigration obsessions), but is that really by design? i suppose it could be, and you seem to think it is but to me it fits with his religious beliefs and strikes me as sincere. and if he really was a pro-disinfo tool working for someone who has an interest in keeping the truth about 9/11 etc. under wraps, again, he has done a terrible job based on the facts and history available to us. this is Chris by the way(as if you couldnt tell by the AJ defense :-)), im gonna sign up today.

Jpass's picture

Have you seen....

this....

"You are scum! We know you are scum! You are done Scum!...dumb scumb!"

IMO,
Alex Jones is either an actor or has is just so overrun by emotion as to seem irrational at times. And if you watch his followers in action you will see the result. I haven't followed anyone's activities for a while but mainly I'm referring to the confrontation of Zignew Brezinski and another of David Rockefeller confrontation...both are online somewhere.

Annoymouse's picture

while i agree with you that

while i agree with you that he lets his emotions get the best of him and it hurts his credibility, you already know that i disagree strongly with you about confronting, yes, true scum like Rockefeller and Zbig. im all for that, hurt those bastards feelings, my their faces turn red and keep shaming them. its beautiful.

Lemonhoko's picture

Heya Chris!

Welcome Chris! Ive been reading your posts at 911B, good going protesting the censoring over there.

*************************

The 11th Day of Every Month

Annoymouse's picture

thanks man, i meant it when

thanks man, i meant it when i said all the "good ones" were either banned or left already for the most part. im getting high negatives there now, like never before.

Annoymouse's picture

aw man, was my response too

aw man, was my response too good or something? or did it just not get ok'ed yet?

inside's picture

haha yes, it was too good!!!

the thing is mabye they want 911 truth to come out but not the whole truth..

Annoymouse's picture

oh, hey man, its Chris from

oh, hey man, its Chris from blogger, i dont know if you got my response yet, but yes, ive talked to SBG and while i dont want to tell you exactly what he said out of respect for him i will say that it looks like hes still on the side of a censorship free 911blogger.com and said that hes "working on something" right now.

inside's picture

hey chris, thanks.. i just

hey chris, thanks.. i just got done laughing my ass off at your post on blogger.. too funny and i cant believe it got posted at all...

gretavo's picture

of course

they know that some of the truth is going to come out without question. It simply has to. Now, instead ofletting it be the part that incriminates THEM, they make sure it's the part that incriminates someone else. Why pick Bush? Well, think of Bush as a less talented JFK. JFK ended up paying for his father's crimes. Old Joe was a bootlegger, a booze smuggler in other words, and one of his rivals was Meyer Lansky, whose Jewish mob network had been running the gambling biz in... Cuba! There was animosity there but also a degree of a thieves' code of honor. So by helping Joe's son become pres by helping to rig the vote in Chicago, the Lansky types were hoping to have a friend in JFK, who would let their businesses thrive and also help them get rid of Castro who had kicked them out of Cuba. Instead JFK puts Bobby in charge of going after their erstwhile allies--big doublecross in gangsterland, and proves to be inept in getting Castro out. To top it all off he is dead set against Israel acquiring nukes (remember--Lansky and Jack Ruby were involved in running guns to Israel in the early days of the Irgun terrorists-I mean freedom fighters).

Now, Prescott helped the Nazis who were in fact enacting the "Final Solution" that benefited Zionists as much as if not more than anyone else, since it involved Germany, conscious or not of it, providing the service of a) scaring the hell out of Jewish people and b) getting them out of Europe and into Palestine. George HW Bush was part of the Texas oil scene, LBJ was from Texas, JFK was killed in Texas, and Israel is in the oil rich middle east. Start to see the connections lining up? Now Dubya may or may not know anything about real history, but some might say HE'S in danger of being the next JFK. The Bush cronies who played along in order to get to where they are are now a liability, or at least a convenient scapegoat and Dubya, god bless him, got himself right in the middle of it.

So when you think about it, it's the Zionists who have everything to gain from pinning 9/11 on Bush AND preventing people from learning about their long-running involvement in some of the darkest chapters of AMerican and world history. Did the international bankers hijack an otherwise benign ideological movement? Or were they behind it from the beginning? Does it matter?

Jpass's picture

Another Goose Chase....

Why waste time chasing this goose chase? Even if the Mossad was involved with 9/11, none of us have access to information to prove anything. Even information we can muster up is not even close to being reliable enough to paint a clear image.

I said this about Condi Rice, when Jon Gold try to convince me that, because Condi avoided questions about the ISI...it meant she was hiding information about the ISI connection. So I say the same is possible for Alex Jones. Maybe Condi is throwing people off the trail by having them chase the ISI? Jones doing the same with the Mossad? Each leads to many hours wasted trying to find information that is not available.

But it doesn't matter because the information available only leads one to more questions, shoddy information, even shoddier sources, and just not much of anything.

Same with the Mossad.

Either way, there is no way for us to know what is true and what is false regarding Intelligence agencies, cia, mi6, isi, mossad...all these spook organizations are hidden by 'national security' and 'top sekrit clearance' no matter what country you live in. As far as I can tell, they operate with impunity. No one knows what exactly they do, what exactly controls them, how much money they get, etc. etc. etc.

I'm fairly certain that Adnan Khashogg does not own GNC.

Big_D's picture

I agree with you on the Mossad involvement in 911.

At least from what I've seen & know. Although, when you put all the pieces together, from just the last hundred years or so, it paints a pretty damning picture against Zionists & their ilk. I agree though, you can't hold it against, say, Barrie Zwicker for not railing against Israel with such little evidence. Those Zionist attack dogs are merciless, just ask Prof. Tony Martin, David Irving, David Cole or countless others.

Hell, Zionists even call John Sack a self hating Jew for reporting that at the end of WWII, a number of Jewish Holocaust survivors ran Polish concentration camps and tortured and killed not only Germans but also Polish civilians, including women and children.

The thing is is it has to be out there, it has to be on the investigation table when & if a real investigation is ever started. This is where LIHOP comes in.

juandelacruz's picture

Making our own suspect list is very important

Hi JPass,

Even if you cannot prosecute anyone yet with our information and research it is important we press on with them. If we did not do this, the conspiracists could very easily do a so called "investigation", hand us the guilty parties and execute them in front of our eyes. We wouldn't know then that they just executed fall guys. Just think of Timothy McVeigh, it was so easy for them to say 'he drove the truck, case closed'.

Thanks RT for this thread, a very enlightening read.

Jpass's picture

It's Ok For Discussion

Our very limited amount of information leaves us with too many holes to finger a suspect with any decent amount of certainty.

The dancing Israeli's is an interesting event but it leaves so much to the imagination. IMO, we should focus on hardcore evidence that contradicts the official story of 9/11. Dancing Mossad agents don't do that, Pakistani ISI triple spooks don't do that...the only thing that does that is the demolition of WTC 7. The key to a new investigation. Spending so much time on the Zionist angle relative to 9/11 brings us just as much progress as investigating the Pakistani ISI. Both lead to an open field, neither to a new investigation.

I understand that everyone wants an enemy to pin it on...and even more so...we want to believe we've figured it out...but in the grand scheme of things our information is far to limited to gauge our own accuracy.

I think that RT is right on when he talks about Larry Silverstein being the starting point to any investigation into 9/11. But how do we get there? WTC 7 was the perps over-shot.

We got the perps nuts in a ringer....if we could just focus 9/11 Truth on this one issue as the gateway to a new investigation or at the very least...the gateway to another obvious cover-up sham investigation. Either one would gather more support by the millions.

I've requested interviews with representatives from 3 demolition companies in New Zealand & Australia. I'll keep you posted as to their response.

juandelacruz's picture

Am all for your CD experts interview

Good luck!

Lazlo Toth's picture

Operation 9/11 - A Cooperative Effort

It is not a matter of ISI vs. Mossad involvement. This operation mutually benefits many parties, and many parties gave aid and support to it in various ways. There is the Muslim highjacker, UBL "false-flag" back-story with cooperation from ISI and Saudi intelligence, and there is the remote-control aircraft and demolitions front-story, with activities being carried out by Washington, New York, and Israel-based Mossad operatives. Both the back and front stories have shell game levels of misdirection, all of which involve coordination being done by CIA, FBI, and U.S. military intelligence agencies. Where MI6 fits in, I am not quite sure yet, but this operation, planned for about a decade, was definitely a cooperative effort, with all participants gaining various benefits through their involvement. Although fairly compartmentalized, investigation into any of the players on various levels will eventually lead to all the players, and as far as Israel goes, they don't care if everybody else gets hung for this, as long as no fingers get pointed towards them. They are worried that if they are exposed, the American people will be absolutely enraged, and Israel as we know it will be threatened in a way like never before. 9/11 Truth, in other words, could seriously lead to the dismantlement of the state of Israel, and this is why the Media is being controlled in the way it is regarding 9/11. 9/11 Truth is thus a far greater danger to Israel than any Arab nation ever was, because if they lose the support of the American people, their 100 year land grab project will come to a screeching end. Also, we may not have signed and sealed evidence implicating some of these parties, but we do have enough evidence to bring about an investigatory trial with "significant persons of interest" being called forth to give testimony and to be questioned under oath. As 9/11 activists, we must fully understand that we are treading in very dangerous waters, and this is why people aren't yelling from the rooftops, "Mossad brought down the Towers."

gretavo's picture

what's likely vs. what's proven vs. what's unlikely

It could well be that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia had nothing at all to do with it, no? The question is not of who is innocent and who is guilty--it's where does the vidence suggest the investigation should go? Of course we can speculate based on circumstancial and other evidence whose involvement is likely and whose may be just a figment of the cover story legend...

bruce1337's picture

Before an honest investigation

Silverstein will be Ken Laid -- anyone wanna bet? All other visible key players will probably suffer sudden, retrograde amnesia -- and bar some serious information extraction, will take their inside knowledge to the grave. At least, this is what I fear might happen.

If, however, Israeli involvement was proven, America would indeed be enraged -- and it should be enraged, for it has been maliciously deceived and turned into the thug and trough of supremacist pigs, whose demise would be a fate well deserved. And then, may their hollow cause be deflated and serve as a warning for future generations, so that they'll be wary of empires of emotional extortion -- in addition to their cruder ancestors of physical nature -- so that maybe one day, no one will extort anyone anymore, and we can all live as equals.
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gretavo's picture

i wouldn't take that bet...

he's certainly old enough to croak on his own, but he may not be able to wait that long. In any case, history will remember.