Francesco Cossiga Blows the Whistle and the “Truthers†Sleep On
Former Italian President Confirms the Results of Cutting-Edge 9/11 Research and the Co-opted 9/11 “Truth†Movement Sleeps at the Wheel
Former Italian president Francesco Cossiga reveals – “...sanno ormai bene che il disastroso attentato è stato pianificato e realizzato dalla CIA Americana e dal Mossad con l'aiuto del mondo sionista per mettere sotto accusa i Paesi arabi e per indurre le potenze occidentali ad intervenire sia in Iraq sia in Afghanistan.â€
Getting back to Keenan’s very recent discussion topic regarding 9/11 Truth Movement gatekeepers and the effort to keep the Truth Movement’s focus away from the actual perpetrators (Mossad and Israeli moles inside the U.S. government (cf. Pentagon’s Neo-Con Policy Board and Doug Feith’s Office of Special Projects), it is fascinating, as Kate pointed out last night, that this news from Italy comes out, and the only thing people over at 9/11 Blogger and TruthAction want to talk about is Operation Gladio and the Cold War. The blogger known as “George Washington†put the Corriere Della Sera story up on his personal blog site a couple of days ago, but for some reason did not feel it was important to place it on the front page of 9/11 Blogger. It was actually another blogger altogether who took the initiative to post the story at Apt. 9/11B. This is akin to what CNN does with their news-ticker or bottom-of-the-screen scrolling marquee where all the actually significant news items are posted. The CNN talking heads distract the viewer with trivial news in audio form, while the real news stories float by in text form at the bottom of the screen. This gives them the opportunity, if the occasion arises, of avoiding the accusation that they did not attempt to fully inform the viewer of all the news of the day, while not actually calling too much attention to such news by discussing it verbally. The headline accompanying the story at 9/11B, TruthAction, and Prison Planet was also slightly and cleverly misleading. The headline portrayed Francesco Cossiga as saying that 9/11 was an “inside job,†when he very clearly stated that it was an Outside/Inside job, with Mossad being the “outside†element in the equation. Of course the only topic of conversation on these “truth†websites was Gladio, Gladio, Gladio. This discussion of irrelevant side issues instead of the man’s primary statements of CIA-Mossad involvement in 9/11 is but another classic media distraction technique – ask a question about Mossad, and you get back an answer concerning the irrelevant topic of baseball statistics, for example.
For those of us who have been following the 9/11 research trail to George Tenet’s house and Mossad headquarters in Herzliya, Israel, we don’t need Francesco Cossiga (or the “dancing Israelis†for that matter) to prove Mossad involvement or to even help make our case regarding it. He, as a European intelligence insider, merely reconfirms what we already know to be true. By the time the last page of my five part research article is written, it will be clearly evident, from documentary and historical evidence, that the only political entity that would have the full motives, means, and opportunities to plan, execute, and cover-up 9/11 is our “old and treacherous ally†Israel. By my count, since the mid-1950s, Americans and American interests have been physically and fatally attacked by Israeli operatives at least seven times, the 9/11 attacks being only the latest. It is highly psychologically doubtful that American building engineers working for the NY-NJ Port Authority under Lewis Eisenberg would wire two American landmark buildings for demolition and murder 3,000 New Yorkers just to start a war for oil. Mossad demolition crews, working under the aegis of Lewis Eisenberg, and wearing Port Authority ID badges, however, is another matter altogether. Many of these young Israeli men who work as Mossad katsas or operatives are brought up in Mossad summer camps under an ideological brainwashing regimen very much resembling the most dangerous and fanatical of religio-political cults. This Zionist militant youth-group brainwashing system was actually started by Vladimir Jabotinsky back in the 1920s in the form of the Polish Betar youth groups. For the advancement and achievement of Israel’s imperial agenda in the Middle East, these operatives would have no moral problem whatsoever in flying remote-controlled aircraft into skyscrapers, blowing up American buildings, and murdering 3,000 American goyim. Take the exultant dancing and joy exhibited by those five Urban Moving Systems employees as a small example of what I am referring to. Murdering Americans to trick the gullible, good-natured, patriotic citizenry into conducting and paying for Israel’s genocidal wars against the Semitic Arabs of the Middle East is pretty much par for the course, and this is not the first time Israel has pulled off this type of murderous operation either. To say, without any kind of detailed qualification, that 9/11 is an “inside job,†and to thereby finger loyal Americans in the U.S. government and intelligence community (such as Ray McGovern et al.) as the perpetrators of this crime sounds crazy, insulting, and goes against the norms of average psychology. But if one studies the history and documented agendas of Zionism and how Israel was actually created, saying that 9/11 was an Outside (Mossad) job with Inside (Neo-Con Zionist) assistance by moles inside the U.S. government is not a far-fetched statement at all, and pretty much conforms to the behavioral patterns one notices when researching these topics. (In Part Three of “Wired for Terror†you will se what I am talking about.) This is because these attacks fit perfectly with the historical record and psychological profile of what is seen by anyone brave enough to look into these things. People who work in international intelligence and have analyzed the media and military operations of Mossad and their little treasonous helpers out there, have no problem whatsoever wrapping their heads around the simple fact that, once again, America was attacked on 9/11, not by Arabs, but by anti-Semitic Israelis who want us to kill the Arabs for them. If they did it themselves, it would be bad for PR, and they are so very concerned with their deceitfully crafted PR image, hoping that the American taxpayers will not wake up to the horrific situation that the little country that rightfully should be considered America’s number one global enemy only pretends to be its ally – the Wolfowitz in sheep’s clothing so to speak. If you think I am being extreme on these things, you really need to do yourself a favor and go out and buy a copy of “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy†by Mssrs. Mearsheimer and Walt. Just the first chapter alone will have you screaming in abject bloody rage at the bottom of every page you read. Gullible and good-natured American taxpayers are being so thoroughly fucked up the ass so badly and in a million different ways, it is absolutely unimaginable to fully comprehend the conscienceless demonic psychology of these people (and by “these people†I am not referring to “the Jews†of Israel or America). The day is arriving soon however when the American public will be fully awake to what has been going on, and at that time, they will in one voice declare full out war on Israel, and with the help of a thousand real allies, remove this international menace from the stage of world history once and for all (and the Israeli Likudniks are well aware of this precarious predicament that they have put themselves in). Then the common people of the Middle East will finally have the peace, justice, and prosperity they so richly deserve, and then America can apply its tax dollars to taking care of the raped and ruined societies of North America, for once. If the host does not remove the treasonous parasites of Zion and their embedded stooges, the host will die. It is that simple. It is wake up time America. Don’t be fooled, the Zionists are nothing but Fascists and Nazis wearing Star of David armbands, pretending to be Jews. They are neither Jews, nor even human as we commonly know it.
America, on September 11, 2001 you were not attacked by Arabs. You were attacked by Israelis – false friends and allies who are sucking your national treasury bone dry and trying to turn your great country into a pariah nation like themselves. It is time to stand up against the Beast and tell Israel – “Never again!†This is what I believe the real George Washington would have said if he were here now.
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the first time i suspected, questioned, realized 911 was inside job was the lack of norad response.
the first time i suspected, questioned, realized 911 was outside-inside job was when i first learned of Dov Zakheim, an Israeli, in charge of our pentagon.
we don't have dual-citizen muslims/arabs/saudis/iraqis/afghanis freekin whathavyou in positions of power in the US government, but we do have .....
 (infuriation!)
anyway, Lazlo, thanks for all you do. Â
And Kate, thanks so much for all you do.
Many hands make the work lighter. I hope your husband and daughter are as proud of you as we all are. You were absolutely the only one who spoke up last night against the big Operation Gladio and Cold War nonsense, and tried to steer the conversation back to the horrible truths of 9/11 in the light of these new and re-confirming revelations. I am starting to realize that wtcdemolition.com/blog may actually be one of the very few real 9/11 Truth websites out there, and for that, Gretavo deserves special praise for his courage and his incessant activism. God bless Real Truther and all y’all. The truth always wins in the end. The dike is about to completely burst and the Zionazis don’t have enough fingers to plug up all the leaks. Buying up all the media and internet outlets in the world is not going stop the wrathful judgment of the Big One Upstairs. The Truth Flood is coming and I can hardly wait for these criminals to be swept into the federal prison system to await the summons of the hangman.
I second Kate rocks the house
I second Kate rocks the house
You no what would be entertaining Getting the 911 truth movement together and promote 5 different theory or so MIHOP LIHOP BIN LADEN BUSH CHENNY NEO CON ISRAEL and present facts to support there argument it would be a good time.
Lazlo your argument is by far the best I have read and your not afraid of pointing the finger at anyone to find the truth. Hats off
Cossiga
He is highly dubious, so maybe its not so bad the "truth" movement is not too loud about it, at this point.
Read the comments at 911blogger , do your own research, and judge for yourself. But , please, don't jump on it like infowars did, who even sais hes a Gladio 'whistleblower'. Nothing could be further from the truth.
I agree that being carefull
I agree that being carefull about Cosiga would be prudent. The comments on 911B seems justified. Cosiga seems to be telling the truth on his comments about 9-11, but given his history, I also suspect he may have less than noble motives in revealing this knowledge now.
It would be great if the Italian media can interview him more about 9-11. Maybe he can reveal information on Zionist or CIA involvement that is only available in the intelligence community.
So if I'm to understand this
So if I'm to understand this correctly: you think people should remain silent about an ex-Gladio participant's involvement in operation Gladio when he speaks up about 911 because…he said the word “Zionist� Or something?
Should we rewrite history and portray him as a Gladio Whistleblower like the folks at prison planet? In case you’re unaware of who Mr. Cossiga actually is, he was in charge of administering Operation Gladio (in Italy) from 1966-68. He’s completely unrepentant about his involvement in an operation which led to the cold-blooded murder of hundreds of his countrymen (and women…and children). And he refers to the fascist Luico Gelli – a man who according to an Italian Parliamentary investigation was “paid to foment terrorist activities†– as a “patriotâ€.
“This discussion of irrelevant side issues instead of the man’s primary statements of CIA-Mossad involvement in 9/11 is but another classic media distraction technique.â€
Irrelevant side issues? I’m sorry but that's just ridiculous.
Gladio is obviously extremely relevant for a number of reasons. One is that the individual in question was – by his own admission – one of its coordinators. Two is that individuals involved in false flag operations tend to know a thing or two about false flag operations, which lends credence to their testimony. Three is that Gladio/P2 was wet up by CIA/Nato etc., which means that Cossiga’s statements may represent a split between “old Europe†and the American/Zionist alliance. Fourth and most important: Gladio was essentially a first draft of the war on terror, with the target being leftists rather than Muslims. Nafeez Ahmed has drawn this comparison repeatedly and for good reason:
“The immense fear and chaos generated by the impact of the Operation Gladio phenomenon throughout western Europe was instrumental in legitimizing the interventionist policies of the Anglo-American alliance in the South, throughout the Cold War period. Although the Soviet Union was supposed to be the real threat and source of terror, and thus the ultimate object of the over 70 military interventions conducted since 1945 [see William Blum’s Killing Hope (London: Zed, 1995)] the Soviet threat was in fact actively exaggerated ideologically – and even physically constructed through clandestine operations – to mobilize the comprehensive militarization of western societies.â€
It should be extremely obvious that understanding Gladio and Cold war Propaganda is not at all “irrelevant†to understanding Al-Qaeda and War on Terror Propaganda. That you would claim as much indicates an irrational bias on your part. Your further claim that discussing these issues can only be an intentional distraction indicates paranoia approaching psychosis.
I don’t recall a single person questioning Cossiga’s claim that 911 was a CIA/Mossad operation. Most people already accept this. It’s not even controversial. What IS controversial is your apparent thesis that Zionists orchestrated the entire operation and caught a benign Uncle Sam asleep at the switch. There is no need for a conspiratorial explanation for why most people don't accept this thesis -- it's simply not very plausible.
I think it’s a shame that you’ve taken to attacking sites like truthaction instead of fleshing out your previous writings, which I found very enlightening. If you're so concerned about what people say over there I'd once again suggest signing up and presenting your arguments face to face instead of sniping from your blog.
yes, yes, it's Gladio! AND the CIA/Mossad!
What I don't understand is what Signore Cossiga-Soprano meant by "help from the Zionist world". Surely he meant the Zionist UNDERworld, no? You know, I remember lots of times when I caught my Uncle Samuel asleep at the wheel. Of course it was a roulette wheel, and the speakeasy had closed for the night, so everything was kosher. But it always worried me that one of his underlings might leave the door to the back alley unlocked to let in the Bagel Boys gang. They pretended to be friendly with Uncle Samuel, and G-ld knows some of their boys had worked their way up in Uncle Samuel's organization.
No Danse, you are misunderstanding what I was trying to say,
I never implied that people should refrain from discussing the horrors of Operation Gladio, all the many historical nuances of the Cold War, or the checkered past of Francesco Cossiga. I merely found it interesting that here was an open opportunity for the 9/11 truth community to discuss the Mossad involvement in 9/11, and it seemed that both on 9/11 Blogger and TruthAction there appeared to be some kind of concerted effort to discuss anything but. This Italian press article, of course, hit the internet just a couple of days after Keenan broached the subject of a type of gate-keeping going on within the 9/11 truth movement regarding Mossad involvement, so I just found it quite revealing that all the efforts on both 9/11 truth sites seemed to be concentrated on downplaying any validity to the message. I first saw the article on George Washington’s blog and expected that news of this import would immediately hit the front page of 9/11B, which it did not. It seems to be buried back on p. 87 near the home improvement section. A person named “Black Elk†then put it up there and then proceeded to tell everyone that Cossiga was dangerous and that we should thus not believe anything he says. Attacking the messenger, as you know, is another very slick way of distracting from a message that the attacker seems not to like or agree with. Cossiga’s position as President Emeritus of Italy and former head of Italian intelligence gives him access to classified materials that none of us have any access to. If there were no evidence to corroborate what he is saying about CIA and Mossad involvement in 9/11, then yes, you would have a very valid point in not trusting in anything he says, given his background and association with Operation Gladio. However, that is not the case, unfortunately. You are indeed correct that understanding false flag operations of the past like Gladio or the attacks on the U.S.S. Liberty and Cole, or the propaganda methods employed in the War of Terror (as Borat refers to it) are relevant to 9/11 etc., but why those subjects became the major focus when Mossad involvement in 9/11 was revealed by someone with inside information just seemed rather odd or suspicious to me, for as you know I am a psychotic paranoid. ;)
And as I mentioned, I don’t need Cossiga or the dancing Israelis to make a case for Outside/Inside Israeli involvement in 9/11. They merely RE-CONFIRM or add to the evidence already in the public domain. As far as fleshing out my previous writings, that is what Parts Three, Four, and Five are about, and I am working on all this 9/11 research on a very, very limited time schedule. I also am engaged in academic research and writing which has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 or politics, on top of the huge pile of term finals and student papers I have to grade within the next two weeks. The little spare time I have, I am giving to the 9/11 truth movement, although I would much rather be working in my recording studio on a world music project that all this 9/11 research is (at the moment) keeping me from. Music is my real love and true passion. I fucking hate politics.
As far as sniping truth websites from my ‘hideout’ here at WTCD, I honor and have full respect for the good, moral, and patriotic people who make up the 9/11 truth movement, but as a general skeptic of modern mass media, including internet sites, I feel that it would be natural for Israelis or American Zionists to either found or co-opt 9/11 truth websites in order to continually steer the conversation away from the Israeli involvement in 9/11 and try to hang Bush and Cheney for the whole shebang. Perhaps I am wrong about this, but this pattern seems to be visibly evident at some of these places, and “gate-keeping†comes in many forms, not just outright censorship and suppression of information. You have mentioned that the Mossad involvement in 9/11 is broadly accepted, is understood, and is not controversial in the 9/11 truth movement, but wasn’t this topic of conversation a major contributing factor to the summer 2007 info shutdown of 9/11 Blogger? As I understand it, the “official line†is that Mossad was merely following the so-called al-Qaeda “hijackers†around the country to see what they were up to. This is an extremely watered-down “non-truthy†version of what appears to have actually occurred. From my readings, demolition and explosives training is an integral part of the curriculum taught at Ha Mossad Summer camps.
Regarding my “improbable†thesis that the Zionist/Neocons, both Israeli and American, were behind the whole operation, but “Uncle Sam†was caught off guard. If you mean by “Uncle Sam†the whole U.S. government, then yes Uncle Sam was caught off guard. I do find it highly implausible that everyone in “the U.S. government†was involved (of course many did become involved, willingly and unwillingly, during the cover-up stage). There are at most only about 120 people knowingly involved in the entire operation from planning through operational execution to the activities involved in the cover-up, and we don’t have to build individual gallows for each one of them, probably a symbolic number like 19 would suffice. Operationally however, we have Israeli ICTS (Integrated Consultants for Targeted Security) through their American subsidiary Huntleigh USA handling security for Boston’s Logan Airport and Newark International Airport. Here is where the opportunity to add Dov Zakheim’s SPC remote-control system onto three of the 9/11 flights fits in. No need for anyone but Israelis to be involved in this part of the operation, and in New York we have the Zionist Likud-connected triumvirate of Silverstein, Lowey, and Eisenberg connected to the three buildings that were wired for demolition by I wonder who. Again, no need for U.S. government involvement. Working out of offices in midtown Manhattan (and Weehawken, NJ), we have a Mossad front company – Urban Moving Systems – which could handle all the demolition work under the guise of being Port Authority workers. Again, no need to involve anyone from the U.S. government in this part of the operation either. In the Pentagon, the other parts of the operation were handled by dual-nationals such as Feith Wurmser, Wolfowitz, Perle, et al., and then of course there is the James Schlessinger/Israeli software operation working out of the basement of the FAA offices in Massachusetts. Again, no need for any non-Zionist, American government employees to be involved here either. If you want to understand the Israeli control and complete infiltration of the Pentagon (and FBI) in more detail, pick up a copy of Congressman Paul Findley’s “They Dare to Speak Out.â€
Anyways, Danse, I consider you a brother in the struggle, and I don’t want to fight with you and get into a big ad-hominem attack fest. I also happen to like Cosmo a lot, and in the maddening heat of the conflict, sometimes we say things which are emotionally taken the wrong way or give offence. I really do not wish to offend the truthers, not even Jon Gold, who actually does good and admirable work with the 9/11 first responders. I fully realize the horrible and undeserved position this minority of Zionist perpetrators have put American and Israeli Jews in, and this is why I have tried my darndest to separate Judaism from Zionism, and Jews from Zionists in order to discuss the full truths about 9/11. I also understand, because of the long cultural conditioning in both our countries, that it is very hard for people to “go there†with regards to Israeli or Zionist criminality – hard for “newbies†and veteran truthers alike, but if the perpetrators of 9/11 and all the rest of the attacks are to be stopped from doing this again, it is unfortunately necessary to “go there,†and I think the people at this blog are doing a fine and honorable job with an extremely difficult and touchy subject. All I can say is thank God for Rabbi Weiss. He has more balls than all of us put together.
Peace on Earth and goodwill to ALL peoples.
Ciao
Hi Lazlo,
Hi Lazlo,
As I stated previously I have enjoyed most of your posts, and very much appreciate the effort by people (regardless of race or religion) to make the important distinction between Zionism and Judaism. As you know, it’s much, much easier when someone from a Jewish background calls it like it is when it comes to Zionism. Finkelstein is a good example. Otherwise the "anti-semite" label follows.
"TruthAction there appeared to be some kind of concerted effort to discuss anything but"
No. That’s all in your imagination. Well, I don’t pretend to know everyone on truthaction, but I for one was interested in many facets of the Cossiga revelation, including the Gladio connection.
I repeat: it is extremely irresponsible (and vicious, and counter-productive) to insinuate that people are “shills†based on no evidence. That I don’t agree with your thesis of absolute Zionist control should not, by default, make me a “shillâ€.
“Music is my real love and true passion. I fucking hate politics. Music is my real love and true passion. I fucking hate politics.â€
I hate politics too, at least the beuracratic sort. I struggle with the snake like Gandhi. I have a hard time respecting people who IGNORE politics, mind you – that’s just irresponsible. Out of curiousity, what's your favorite musical genre?
“As I understand it, the “official line†is that Mossad was merely following the so-called al-Qaeda “hijackers†around the country to see what they were up to.â€
Indeed, that was the limited hang out that Counterpunch and Democracy Now! offered, even though it makes no sense.
“I also happen to like Cosmo a lot, and in the maddening heat of the conflict, sometimes we say things which are emotionally taken the wrong way or give offence. I really do not wish to offend the truthers, not even Jon Gold, who actually does good and admirable work with the 9/11 first responders.â€
Glad to hear it. I don’t know Jon, but from what I do know he's significantly less dastardly than I've been led to beleive. I do know Cosmos, and for people to even imply that his intentions are anything less than noble is despicable.
“I also understand, because of the long cultural conditioning in both our countries, that it is very hard for people to “go there†with regards to Israeli or Zionist criminality I also understand, because of the long cultural conditioning in both our countries, that it is very hard for people to “go there†with regards to Israeli or Zionist criminalityâ€
This should be stressed. You have to remember that mentioning Israel often gets one labeled an “anti-semiteâ€. It’s understandable – even if unacceptable – that people shy away from this (essential) aspect of the 911 attacks. Loose Change FC being the perfect example.
Like I said Lazlo, I very much enjoyed your previous writings. I look forward to the next installment. But there’s no need to attack truthaction, especially as some sort of “collective†entity.
*Rodney King photo ;)
Hi Danse, and thanks for your reply.
I absolutely do not think you are a “shill†if you don’t see exactly eye-to-eye with me on my thesis of Israeli Zionist/American Neo-Con involvement in 9/11. I actually greatly appreciate your political video artistry, your comments, and commitment. I hate politics, but at the same time, out of compassion for the victims of political machinations by the ruling elites, I have never been able to divorce myself from them, and I have been an activist since the days of Vietnam, Johnson and Nixon. I guess I just wish that these folks would go away so we can concentrate on other things in life besides building criminal cases every few years to shut down the corruption and violence of the psychopathic minority who always seem to rise to the top.
You are absolutely right that it was wrong of me to disparage as a collective unit truthaction, 9/11 Blogger, or the 9/11 truth movement in general, and in the rational calmness of the moment, I do apologize. The constant “in-house†paranoid bickering about who is or who is not Cointelpro or a shill for the PTB is also a very old trick for making us ineffective as a political movement and turning us against each other. I shall discipline my passions in the future so as not to become too divisive, although I will not sacrifice truth for unity either. I don’t want us to become like those clowns in “Life of Brian,†hating the Popular Judean People’s Front or the People’s Popular Front of Judea more than the Romans. I for one am promising to just concentrate on my research, conduct it according to the academic standards I have been trained in, and not worry anymore about gatekeepers of any kind, for the real truth will win in the end, and as caring, spiritual people, we should at least have that much faith. Even in the Zionist movement of 1930s, 1940s British Palestine, there were underground radicals assassinating fellow Jews for suspicion of being agents of the British. Guess who was directing that paranoia? (rhymes with skittish) The old divide and conquer method. I was pleased to see though that Cossiga’s statements merely reconfirmed that the direction of my personal research was following the correct path to the truth behind 9/11. As you mentioned regarding the “scientific method,†solid theories are formed when separate hypotheses are tested by scientists or researchers working independently of each other and they all start reaching the same conclusion, with each other’s research reconfirming what was pursued in isolation from the others. That’s what we tell everybody – do your own open-minded research and you will end up at the same general place that we all have arrived at, although all of us are arriving at different levels or stages along the way as we progress. To understand the means, motives, and opportunities aspects of why Israel would want to launch a false flag operation against the U.S. and blame it on the Arabs takes a lot of historical background to fully comprehend, and that is why a lot of people, even in the 9/11 truth movement, still have a hard time wrapping their minds around these things. This is why I am spending an inordinate amount of time and text space on the essential historical background and nuances of this case, for when you look at the whole spectrum of historical patterns, the entity that would have the most to gain from 9/11 would be the militant, right-wing Likudniks of Israel. Most people find the study of history irrelevant and boring, and this of course plays right into the hands of those who want to manipulate it for nefarious purposes. We have been taught that Israel is our friend and ally, and that they are helpless victims constantly being attacked by these mean and crazy Arabs, which of course acts as a fantastic cover story for all sorts of crimes. No one would suspect the bank president of paying the bank robbers to come in and rob the bank for a share in the loot. The bank president of course then gets to play the part of the wronged victim, and keep the stolen bank money at the same time. It’s all a very slick operation.
Having said all of this, it certainly must be mentioned that one of the Zionist goals with regards to the truth movement is to get us to maintain the crazy Arab hijacker-Pakistani ISI part of the story, otherwise there would be no need for an international “war†against “Islamo-fascism,†“jihadi terrorists,†and the “enemies of Israel.†As Jack Black mentioned on Canadian television several weeks back, the Israeli-Palestinian problem is not a religious conflict, it is a real estate conflict similar to the Cowboys and Indians one that we are all familiar with. The LIHOP version of the 9/11 story is the version most advantageous to Israel, for it maintains the image of Arabs attacking the U.S. and at the same time hangs Bush-Cheney and company as the “fall guys†if push comes to shove. Coordination of remote controlled aircraft with an inside demolition operation points away from this in a direction which eventually leads to the little town of Herzliya in Israel. If we spend all of our time researching and debating about the infinite little details of what is basically a staged or constructed eight-year back-story meant to distract us from the actual culprits, this too also works in their favor. The fear of being called an anti-Semite racist and losing one’s job or career is also a great way to engender self-censorship among political researchers, even in the 9/11 truth community. All intelligence operations, by conscious design, will show you a very visible breadcrumb trail with the most evident of “clues†being laid down in order to lead the investigators away from the real truth. We are naive to think that Satan is going to show up with a long red tail and horns. He will show up disguised as a holy man or in some other disarming and distracting guise. Multi-leveled deception by design is what an intelligence operation is all about. Just look at Robert Baer (still operating for the CIA or “someoneâ€) who is now coming out on the Alex Jones show playing the “9/11 truth†card, but at the same time spewing this absolute nonsense about the Saudis being behind the next false flag attack so that they can get the U.S. to attack Iran. The only people who want us to attack Iran are those sitting in the Israeli Knesset, and only 53% of them. I wonder who is signing Baer’s paycheck now?
But back to my favorite subject – music. I have a wide variety of tastes and a rather large collection – Bebop jazz, Beethoven, Beatles, Radiohead, the Clash, Beck, Dylan, Talking Heads, etc., but I have a special fondness for both traditional world music and world fusion music – classical Indian, Arabic, African, Cuban, Brazilian, and Reggae. I agree with Ravi Shankar that God is the Ineffable or the Numinous experienced in Music. Say what you will about the human race, but we make some absolutely incredible music. It might be one of our most salient features. If you want to hear some really good Arabic rock, btw, check out Rachid Taha, whose last album was produced by Brian Eno.
Anyways, I have to grade some essays. No weekend fun time for me yet. Peace my brother. Later...
Lazlo
Arabic Music!!!!! Diaspora
yes, yes, yes! katie will definitely check out Rachid; and, of course, you have heard Natacha Atlas, no? Crossing borders in the desert heat the stories in the rocks and stones signatures of time written on every face the syncopated heartbeat of Arab and Jew a song that keeps saying remember if you are cousins why are you fighting? listen to your hearts and the truth will be clear it is written on your bones.... Leysh Nat'Arak ..Natacha Atlas Diaspora I also love Sami Yusuf al-mu'allim!
katie kioski
don't forget good ol Gilad Atzmon
for very spiritual jazz/middle eastern fusion stuff!
The Divas of Arabic music
Yes Katie, the vocalic liquid ecstasy of Natacha Atlas is definitely part of my collection, along with the goddess of Lebanese music, Fairuz, and the classical stylings of Oum Kaltsoum. Gretavo, I will admit that my collection is not complete without the music of Gilad Atzmon. I will have to work on that section some more. I hope he is not related to the owner of ICTS, Menachem Atzmon. Definitely check out the Rachid Taha catalogue though. Rolling Stone called his 2001 release “Made in Medina†the world fusion album of the year. The first song “Barra Barra,†which means “outsider†is absolutely KILLER stuff! He was about to launch a U.S. tour, and then 9/11 happened, which naturally led to the cancellation of the tour. Many of his songs are VERY political. He is French-Algerian. I am also a great lover of classical oud music and gypsy flamenco. I am still working on my own oud techniques, but there are some Iraqi and Moroccan oud players out there which just put me to shame. Oh well, it just keeps one humble, and makes me try harder. I also love the Indian sarod player Ali Akbar Khan. Sarod is one of the most beautiful instruments in the world. I also am a huge fan of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, whom “Opera News†magazine called one of the greatest vocalists of the 20th century. I have about 20 of his CDs. Oh yeah, I like opera too.
fairuz and sabah
i may have seen her perform as a child at this festival, but in 1962 and 63 when i lived there:
http://fairuzonline.com/tl_fairuz_baalbeck2006.htm
baalbek was really cool.
so was palmyra, syria, and biblos, and tyre and sidon.....i love the middle east.
i remember hearing the singer Sabah, too.
the streets of beirut were safe for me and my little crowd of internationals to roam unsupervised...
Hi Kate,
I just wrote to Rabbi Weiss and Rabbi Beck (whose home and library in upstate NY was burned to the ground by the JDL-Nazis). I just wanted to personally thank them for their courage and their great work. I saw them in a video on YouTube embracing, with great fraternal and spiritual love, some Muslim clerics during a protest march, and I just broke down crying. Our world could be so very beautiful without the presence of the demonic spirits who have infiltrated all the things which we hold dear. When I saw the Israeli bombing of Tyre, Sidon, Byblos, Baalbek, and Beirut, and other places in Lebanon two summers ago with Hillary Hitler standing up saying, “I support Israel’s military campaign against the Lebanese people 100%,†I completely flipped out. That Nazi bitch and her treasonous husband should be incarcerated in a federal prison PRONTO. These demonic ass-wipe Zionists are trying to erase the archaeological treasures of the ancient Middle East because they cannot stand that the culture and the wisdom and the mythic traditions of the ancient Near East (which they have basically plagiarized in the form of the Bible) are thousands of years older than their culture. The kings of Byblos had adopted the culture and religion of ancient Egypt long, long before the Israelite tribal nomads ever wandered into Palestine from the EAST (not Egypt) in the 13th century BCE. I am going to write a book which will show that the Bible is not a unique revelation from God to the Israelites, but simply a plagiarized compilation of all the myths and wisdom literature developed by the Mesopotamian and Egyptian cultures which existed for a good two millennia before any Israelite scribe ever learned how to write the letter Alif. And if you want proof of what I am saying, most of these texts have already been translated into English for your perusal. When you read these texts, it is not very hard to see that what I am saying is true, and honestly, most honest Near Eastern scholars will admit that what I am saying is true, but because no one wants to lose their job, everyone is fairly silent regarding the obvious.
Lebanon
i cried when i heard about the bombing, and then the oil spill that covered almost the whole length of the Lebanese coastline! those beautiful beaches where my family and i spent so many days...i was furious, i cried. Â
i willl be playing some world music today on the show...will try to send out to you! Luka Bloom has a slong called Lebanon which is beautiful, will try to find and play.
would love to hear and play some of your world music, Laz!
If this alleged English
If this alleged English translation of the original article from Corriere della Sera is correct,
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/144872-Former-Italian-President-9-11-C...
then it implies that Cossiga is only taking a jab at the Left but is not actually admitting anything about either the CIA or Mossad. Notice the phrases he uses:
"According to what I was told, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow the most powerful daily newspaper chain of our country will deliver an exceptional scoop"
"The 'trap' was mounted, according to the above newspaper chain, to provoke a wave of solidarity with Berlusconi"
"all democratic elements of America and Europe, with those of the Italian center-left party at the forefront, now well know that the disastrous attack was planned and carried out by the American CIA and the Mossad with the help of the Zionist world order"
"no word of solidarity came to Silvio Berlusconi, who is the creator of that clever forgery, neither from the Quirinale, nor from Palazzo Chigi or any center-left representatives."
Notice that nowhere in these statements does Cossiga assert that "I, in my capacity as an intelligence officer, know that the CIA and Mossad were behind 911." Instead he merely accuses a newspaper chain of running a story and the "center-left" of being antagonistic to Berlusconi. Unless someone has a better translation of this piece from the original Italian, I'd have to say that this does not at all read as a confirmation of anything about 911 by an Italian intelligence officer. It reads like a statement from an Italian conservative which makes fun of the center-left without implying anything valid about conspiracy theories.
Perhaps someone with some professional experience doing translations will give us a better translation from the Italian and so clarify what he was actually saying.
Thankyou for adding more
Thankyou for adding more depth to this story, anything that goes on mainstream media is suspect, even if they at first glance look like they are supporting the truth movement.
Cossiga
I dont speak italian... but it goes to show again . Translations are a bitch!!
Never trust a translation you come across in the 911 world, thats the one thing i learned so far.
Small differencies in language , huge diferencies in meaning... weve been there before, havent we.
It seems to me that americans have an extra hard time understanding that part...
Oh, and i'd like to remind you all that the 'dancinc israelis confession' we have - subtitled on youTube - is one of the things i also count among the 'translations i dont trust'. Change one verb just a tiny bit, and it all breaks apart....
The sad part is that not many truthers seem interested in checking the accuracy of such translations, as long as it fits their version of the events...
As I’ve said repeatedly over the last week or so,
And I shall repeat it once again – From studying the one hundred year history of Zionism, the founding of Israel, the modus operandi of Israeli military-intelligence operations, the many documents wherein the imperial, genocidal agendas of Israel are clearly laid out, and all the prima facie as well as empirical evidence surrounding the usage of remote controlled aircraft and controlled demolitions work which comprise the 9/11 attacks, we don’t really even need Francesco Cossiga’s statements or the so-called dancing Israelis to make our case. Such things are merely icing upon a very large cake which has already been built and is ready for delivery. Buy all the TV, radio, magazines, and internet sites you want, but the truth is out there, and the truth of things is extremely foreboding for the state of Israel and its future relations with the U.S. and the rest of the world. Remember this, the real truths of 9/11 will bring about the final end of the Israeli state and its relations with the United States of America. You folks have fucked with us for the last time. The lies and the well-constructed myths are all falling at free-fall speed, and there is absolutely nothing that can stop the dike of Truth from breaking and sweeping away all the treasonous liars, thieves, and murderers within our midst. The judgement of the WICKED comes soon and will arrive when you least expect it. Good luck with all of your bullshit. The king stands stark naked and will soon stand isolated as well.
It's not really clear who
It's not really clear who "your" is supposed to reference in phrases such as "your bullshit." For better or worse, many honest 911 activists have been led by Prison Planet into believing that Cossiga's statement is some kind of exposure. Now if it turns out that people have simply been fed a misleading partial translation which distorts the meaning then people have effectively gone back to chasing holograms. Surely the desire for an accurate translation so that 911 activists may argue with confidence has some importance in itself, quite apart from the philosophizing one may wish to do about Israel as a state in decline.
ummm...
I'll be the first to hold AJ accountable for jumping to conclusions and pushing others to do so in unhelpful ways. That said, translation or no translation, irony or no irony, what Cossiga said, however he meant it, is very likely true. That's the only thing that really matters here.
As for the dancing Israelis on YouTube, that translation is not a confession, it is an explanation, i.e. their cover story. "We were simply there to document the event." If you're saying that that is a mistranslation, I would be interested to have someone point out what the correct translation is (like "yeah, well, you know, we were just happy to see Americans getting killed"?)
That translation I believe was the one that appeared in a pro-Israel documentary and it purported to show how innocuous the Dancers really were. If I'm not mistaken, it was Mark Levin's "The Protocols of Zion" or some such...
here's the clip from Levin's film
So, Levin mistranslated this? Mr/s. Anonymous, you realize you lose credibility this way right?
translations
i did not say it is mistranslated , but that i am not sure about it.
i am also not quite sure what it is that you see in this statement, and how exactly you understand it. So first, it would be good to clarify that..
He is saying "..our purpose was to document the event.."
Do you understand this as:
1) We knew that this would happen , and our mission was to document it
or, do you understand it as:
2) We just documented it , since we happend to be there at the time (and cause we come from israel and experience terror daily etc ..) ?
Thanks for clarification.
Im not trying to fight with you about Israeli involvement in general, but im trying to understand what you see in this video. Where does it lead to? Whats the role of those guys? Which conclusions can be drawn?
Also,
"Mr/s. Anonymous, you realize you lose credibility this way right?"
What do you mean with 'this way' ? By pointing out that theres probably alot of misunderstanding and misinformation based on dubious translations out there?
I hope you also realize that stories which later turn out to be false information based on sensationalist-translations make the truth movement lose credibility, right?
at least we know this video is of the "real" 3/5 Israelis
documenting the event! As opposed to, the disinfo vids of supposed Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda training camps, and supposed "suicide" bombings in Algeria....
there has been so much false info/disinfo/dubious translation shit coming from the MSM(MEMRI)...that any little alternative news nuggets thrown to us by Alex Jones/Italian main stream press/Israeli news shows, what have you,  glimmers like gold in comparison!!!!
you know what would lend the truth movement credibility?
for the MSM to do their freekin job, dammit!  Cover the movement. Cover the symposiums, lectures, protests (if they can't even cover the antiwar movement, you know MSM ain't working for America!) Do a few documentaries on the science of collapse of the towers, interview some researchers, scientists, architects, engineers, physicists, professors, pilots, victim-families, professors...Let these people speak, for God's sake!Â
instead, we get mediocre media shilldom
but, of course, those working for investigation and justice know deep inside that the real conspiracists are not interested in the truth or debate, thus their admission of guilt. we win.
not a minstranslation, a matter of credibility
I understand it as a lie.  I seriously doubt that their mission was limited to documenting the event. Your number two which is obviously the meaning they want understood, is simply absurd. For one, we know that they were working illegaly in the US for a company that the FBI concluded was a Mossad front, whose owner skipped town shortly after his offices were raided. Now, color me cynical, but given what happened on the day that these bozos were high fiving, and what they said to police about who they thought was responsible (the Palestinians), they should have been tried in a court of law on charges of conspiracy to commit murder, not quietly deported on visa violations. You may disagree, but I don't think that your average American will put any more stock than I do in their "explanation" WHEN THEY ACTUALLY FIND OUT ABOUT IT. Of course if these kids had been Arab, Muslim, Black, or Hispanic, they would be rotting either in Guantanamo or an American prison having their constitutional rights violated.
1) We knew that this would happen , and our mission was to document it
or, do you understand it as:
2) We just documented it , since we happend to be there at the time (and cause we come from israel and experience terror daily etc ..) ?
ok
thanks for the clarification.
i think that often too much emphasis is put on their 'to document the event' quote, without giving the bigger picture of the story.
the whole thing overall sure is very 'remarkable'
$100 bet says
that these Israeli videographer-choreographers were providing the live video feed to Bush in his limo on the way to the school. Besides, how many videographers drive around in vans with explosives residues in them?
i don't buy the "Bush saw the first plane" thing...
I've always said that I think his words "I saw a plane hit the tower" could easily have been meant as "I saw a plane (had) hit the tower" or "I saw (that) a plane hit the tower" in Bushspeak. I also don't see why anyone would have gone to the trouble of transmitting that shot live to Bush--to what end?
Well, He did say this twice.
December 2001
"Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my Chief of Staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. And I used to fly, myself, and I said, well, there's one terrible pilot. I said, it must have been a horrible accident."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/20011204-17.html
January 2002
"Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack.""
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html
As for why, simple arrogance is sufficient an explanation from what I've learned of this calibre of sick minded fucks.
still doesn't make sense...
From what we know of Bush I find the likelihood that he misspoke and/or confused the first and second towers to be more likely than his repeating over and over something that essentially incriminates him with regard to foreknowledge. Sounds to me like someone trying to scapegoat Bush, knowing that a guy with so much dirt in his past is going to be easy to blackmail, too. This is just extra encouragement for him to continue to play along as opposed to bailing out and, come what may, fessing up to whatever he knows. If Bush were really the sadistic criminal genius that the Alex Jonesheads imagine him to be I think he would not consistently come across as such a clueless dolt... I think Bush himself is basically a patsy on some level....
No doubt in my mind bushie's an incompetent buffoon.
And by no means the 'master mind' behind the global hegemony that was fast-tracked on 9/11. He didn't know the particulars as to what was going to go down on 9/11. But I believe he is and was a willing figurehead for whatever was about to happen and whatever these psycho's (His ilk) plan in the future. I agree that the PTB are only giving bush, or so they think, enough rope to hang himself, that's where the LIHOP brigade comes in.
we'll see!
as with anything that has to do with planes or hijackers, I think this is all secondary stuff. if Bush had been watching Mossad agents rapelling down the twin towers' elevator shafts with RDX and thermite then maybe I'd be more interested. As it is, whether or not he saw Dov Zakheim's remote controlled Boeing fly into tower 1 is fairly trivial. If he wants to go down with the ship, by all means let him, but I suspect that at some point he may be wise to turn state's evidence... -Gretavo
Well all I had brought up
Well all I had brought up was the issue of the authenticity of the full translation of Cossiga's words and his real intended meaning in context. But since this issue of the dancing Israelis was brought up repeatedly, I guess I have to comment. The whole thing appears like a well-designed distraction. It was featured by FOX NEWS, which is generally very pro-Israel. Hard to believe that Ruppert Murdoch did this from anati-Semitism. But in a sense this dancing Israelis serves a purpose almost, but not quite, like the Pakistan-sends-money-to-Atta and the Saudis-back-Al-Qaeda stories which you can run across in some places.
If you really wanted to make a strong case for tying Saudi Arabia or Pakistan in with 911 then the most direct place to look would to seek evidence that the Saudi or Pakistani lobbies were bound up with the planning and execution of the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Anyone willing to believe that 911 was at least partly related to these invasions will also look at evidence that Saudi and Pakistani lobbyists were closely connected with these invasions as an indication that they likely were tied in with 911. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much evidence linking a Saudi lobby with the invasion of Iraq. Ditto for any hypothetical Pakistani lobby. Instead all we have are rumors of questionable origin telling us that Pakistan supposedly sent money to Atta or that Bin Laden is supposedly connected with the Saudi monarchy.
Where Israel is concerned, the matter is a bit different. Israel lobbyists with strong attachment to the Likudniks have been involved in the Iraq war since before day one. This dancing Israelis story seems more like it serves the function of providing something similar to the Pakistan-pays-Atta story though. I can't really picture the Mossad, a highly professional intelligence agency, sending out agents who dance around on a rooftop and attract attention needlessly, unless it was deliberate. If we're to believe the story that these people somehow in control of planes, wouldn't we also expect such people to be low-key and mum? This whole event appears more as a staged event which can allow us to subsequently recite how dancing Israelis were caught on a rooftop after 911, Pakistan sent money to Atta before 911, Saudi Arabia really supports Al Qaeda, and several other good ones. Then eventually all the stories are downgraded and dismissed.
I have in fact considered that angle
And it may well be that the dancing Israelis are not what they seem. That said I think we can't automatically jump to the conclusion that because the Mossad is "so professional" that they would never do such a thing except as some kind of diversion. In fact the Mossad is known for being fairly risk-tolerant, and this may have something to do with their knowledge that if something goes wrong it is highly unlikely that Americans are going to call them out and embarass them. Read the story about the mall kiosk workers and how they really don't worry about being caught working illegaly, for example. Think arab muslims could ever have the same carefree attitude? The actual dancers may have just been that cocky and arrogant. For all we know the operation was carried out by rogue elements of Mossad who could not avail themselves of the most professional agents but had to fish around for the craziest people they could find with the requisite skills.
Now, I do find it intriguing that a) Fox News aired the original segment and especially that b) it has not been removed from YouTube, when it's clear that all NewsCorp would have to do is say "copyright infringement" and it would disappear. The question then is WHY Rupert Murdoch (who either is or is not half Jewish, depending on who you ask, and who no one seems to think is anti-semitic in any case) would want that story to be available. It could be that its existence feeds Jewish people's paranoia and allows real or invented "neo-Nazi" types to produce the kind of materials that scare Jewish folks into the Zionists' cold "protective" embrace. Then again as you say it could be just another leg on the tripod of suspicion leading nowhere, the other two being Saudi Arabia and Patsystan (you might add Turkey and make it a chair thanks to Sibel Edmonds...)Â
If we really want to go crazy we could speculate as to infinite levels of possible deceptive motivations, like they're leaving it up precisely to make it look like they don't care, so it couldn't be important. After all, disappearing it completely would be impossible (I myself have archived copies) and if and when the shit hit the fan NewsCorp would be found possibly to have aided and abetted an actual terrorist attack on the US (in which case Rupert would be screwed since the evry least that would happen is he would be sued by every victim's family and either go broke or have to cease doing business in the US...)
The reason why this story should not be ignored is because one way or another it is part of the cover-up. Same with the Saudi and Patsystani connections and Sibel's allegations. Any full account of the truth about 9/11 must necessarily include explanations for all of tehse things. Given the amount of real evidence involved with the dancing Israelis compare to the alleged money transfer to Atta it's the one story that I think the explanation of which will shed the most light on what actually happened and why, since it will be the most difficult to fit into a narrative that is false...
risk-tolerant
and, in the case of these individuals, youthful! fearlessly so. I agree, Gretavo. They were not worried about being caught filming, high-fiving, and in a van with explosives and arab garb - they must have known Uncle Michael would bail them out eventually.
live feed? maybe. the whole bush thing is another subject, later.
You also have to take into account
the fact that after Fox News started broadcasting the Cameron presentations on the Dancing Israelis and Amdocs, etc, ADL's Abe Foxman personally went door to door in a frothing fit and had every news organization pull these stories and say nothing more on it. He was pretty mad about something...
Since I never said anything
Since I never said anything about the dancing Israelis film there's nothing to respond to there.
well dang...
I won't dispute anything you say there Laz, and believe me I feel your outrage. Today I chatted with an ex-marine coming out of class who wanted to make sure my sign meant what he thought it meant. Confirming that it did, we got to talking about how the regular folks in the military have been used as pawns. On parting ways I assured him we were going to see a breakthrough soon and he smiled and said something to the effect of "Oh yeah, you got that right."
This came towards the tail end of my daily vigil. Towards the beginning I encountered a pair of undergrads who said that having seem me out there on many occasions were wondering what it was all about. I explained to them as best I could the problems with the official explanation for the collapses and they were very receptive. I added that they could very easily also turn around and walk back into the Science Center to see that some of the Chemistry teachers were also on board.
The day we have been waiting for is coming--there is simply no question about it anymore. I will again urge everyone who is in denial about this to do a few things, as necessary...
a) shut up. stop pretending you don't understand that it's over, stop trying to blame others, or drag others down with you. don't think for one second that we are going to be fooled again, or that if you just hold out a little longer you will find some way out of the mess you're in.
b) come clean. this may take more courage than you have but then again we're not asking you to go on Oprah. The least you can do is start telling people you trust that in fact you have been wrong, misled, whatever. Admit what you know or suspect to be the truth. You will instantly feel better, I guarantee it, becoming part of the solution, however small a part, rather than part of the problem.
c) have faith in the goodness of people--the same goodness that you have as yet been unable to achieve. Understand that continuing this farce only makes it worse for you, because all those good people can only tolerate so much before their patience and willingness to forgive is stretched to the breaking point.
That's just for starters. Understand that you are in no position to argue or negotiate terms. You chose poorly--very poorly indeed. Until you accept this you will be your own worst enemy.
Accept the truth, learn to love, and then (and only then) will you find peace.
Hi Mr. Anonymous,
Hi Mr. Anonymous,
Mr. Cossiga is a former intel person and PM, I am sure he carries a lot of baggage which makes me doubt his motives. I do not think he said what he said for the sake of the truth movement. I fear that he may discredit himself along with the nugget of truth he said that Zionists (and CIA) were involved in 9-11. What he said is not new to me, but it probably is to other people who would hear it for the first time and I welcome him saying so in mass media.
As others said above, the information supporting Zionist involvement in 9-11 is already in the public domain. I believe that the Zionists are complicit without a doubt.
(to the moderator, please block a similar post I made but logged in as anonymous - having two anonymous posters in one thread would be confusing to all )
But if you read any of the
But if you read any of the translations of the full article, he did not even actually seem to say that the CIA and Mossad were behind 911. What he said was that a newspaper and the center-left were spreading this story, and it sounded like he was making fun of it.
Imagine a situation where David Icke produces some stories claiming that George Bush is a lizard from outer space and 911 was part of a government to cover up the UFOs which have been landing on earth (Icke actually has produced rubbish of this type). Now imagine that Rush Limbaugh interviews Donald Rumsfeld and in this interview Rumsfeld says something like:
"The newspapers are coming out with a story that Bush is a lizard from outer space. Intelligence agencies know that 911 was done to cover up for the UFOs. All democrats know that alien lizards control the government."
This would be interpreted in a mocking sense, not as an actual admission of anything. Now suppose that Alex Jones or Jeff Rense runs a scoop where they cite Rumsfeld as admitting that "Intelligence agencies know that 911 was done to cover up for the UFOs." That would be very dishonest reporting, but this seems to be what Jones did here. If you read the few available English translations of the whole original story from the Italian news service, rather than the isolated quotes which Alex Jones has served up, the intended meaning sounds more like what I've described where instead of admitting to anything about 911 he simply is making fun of the "center-left" by suggesting that they actually believe this. The only caveat which I'll place on this is that I myself am not a professional translator and none of the translations which I've found were anything more than machine translations. People who are really taking this matter seriously should try contacting the Italian Studies Department in UCal, Berkeley, or Brown University or any similar place, and contract a graduate student to translate the entire original article with the subtleties of contextual meaning very carefully observed.
How Israelis See Americans
 Compare to:
Anyone else getting the sense that to Israelis, Americans are basically rich chumps?
Be sure to check out the rest--must read!
http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=16425
Gretavo, I followed that link
to the article about Israelis with mud at the mall this morning, and was amazed to find yet another scam being run down on us. If I am ever at a mall again and see the Israeli mud folks, I am going to fuck with their minds. Of course, I haven’t been to a mall in years, but if I ever consume with the masses again, and I see them, I will let them know who did 9/11 and whip out my fake INS badge. Ha!
On the subject of live video feeds of FTS-controlled planes hitting the WTC, who knows? I was just speculating and being sarcastic, but I wonder who has a copy of that video that Shmuel and the boys were shooting. Did the FBI confiscate the tape? Whether Bush saw the first plane or just thought he saw it, again, who knows? My friends are always speculating that they got Dubya on drugs or something, or he is being radio-controlled by that little box on his back. When people look at Bush and ask incredulously why we would think that 9/11 could possibly be an “inside job,†referring to the White House, I always agree with them and point out that that is just another arrow pointing towards some other conspiratorial group of much, much more competent and together folks. Say what you will about the Israelis, but they do have their act together and are highly competent in these types of psyop-terror operations. If you follow the breadcrumb trail and you end up at the desk of a mentally retarded, drugged out guy at the White House drooling on his shoe, it is a sign that you are on the wrong trail, although just down the hall is the office of the “vice-president†which interestingly leads to a Portal into the bowels of the Underworld. Jon Gold’s mantra that the path to the 9/11 conspirators leads to the White House should be more properly stated as a path that leads through the White House, out the back door, into Doug Feith’s Office of Special Planning, past the closet where they keep the sheikh costumes, and eventually lands you in Herzliya, Israel, a land of truly competent conspirators and operators.
Gretavo, can you check this AMAZING video out and put it up here
Speaking of remote-controlled aircraft hitting the north and south towers of the World Trade Center, you have to see this. People who failed their little Cessna qualifying exams don’t fly like this, in fact even commercial pilots don’t fly like this. The plane flies in from the north, over the south tower, makes a quick u-turn, and then comes in from the south to hit what I believe is the computer room associated with the operations of L. Paul Bremer’s Marsh & McClellen, whose CEO is the son of indicted 9/11 conspirator Maurice Greenburg (cf. Kroll Inc.). If I knew what the code was to embed YouTube videos here, I would pop it up here on the front page, but here is the URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucT4-Q2gd9A
errrr....
sorry Laz, but that is without a doubt a doctored vid. there are lots of videos of the plane hitting the south tower and none of them involve a nose dive. it is unfortunate and mighty suspicious to boot that the "video fakery" meme was early on co-opted by Nico Haupt because I suspect we are going to see lots of "genuine" video fakery coming out of the woodwork.
 -Gret
Oh well, too bad
Still an awesome video, even though faked. My friend here thought it was fake too. Still, according to the pilots like Dave Govato, they have given serious consideration to the remote-control angle, and there is much discussion of it over at pilotsfor911truth. Thanks for being alert, buddy.
Lazlo
the problem with faked evidence
Is well known from Dan "well-placed dynamite to knock it down" Rather's experience with the forged (but accurate) Bush military service papers. Heck, even the forged "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" were probably written precisely to make people think that there was no similar conspiracy being carried out by anyone--elderly, Zionist, or otherwise. And the OJ glove that didn't fit? That it turned out was planted by Mark Fuhrman? Reasonable doubt, baby. Plausible deniability. The tricks are not new, just the tricksters--and even those.... :)