Jeffrey "Shure" Hill Continues Racist LIHOP Campaign
LeftWright seems keen to support the existence of al Qaeda, as well as having recently been keen to support the sincerity of Steven Jones. Hey, NYCGuy, why do you bother arguing with these obvious shills?
9/11 and Who Rules Saudi Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzQsMMJ31Jo
Madawi Al-Rasheed: The Saudi dictatorship was the incubator of al Qaeda.
and David Chandler...
...is STILL listed as an administrator of Jeff (Shure) Hill's LIHOP facebook page "9/11 Justice and Accountability Research Think Tank."
Mr. Chandler, do you even read what is being posted to that group's page on facebook?
now this...
Senator Bob Graham: Keys to the Kingdom
FORMER SENATOR JOHN BILLINGTON KNEW WRITING THIS NEW YORK TIMES OP-ED PIECE MIGHT GET HIM KILLED . . .
July 6th
The congressional inquiry into the 9/11 attacks left several secrets unanswered. The top three are Saudi Arabia's full role in thepreparation for and the execution of the plot; the Kingdom's willingness and capacity to collaborate in future terrorist actions against the United States; and why this and the prior administration conducted a cover-up that thus far has frustrated finding the answers to the first two questions.
Now, there is an even more ominous unknown. Does Saudi Arabia have the bomb? . . . The United States should take prompt action to prevent this potential conflict from becoming a reality.
Shortly after this appears in print, his suspicion comes true: Senator Billington, a co-chair of the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry Commission, is murdered near his Florida home. Sensing the danger he faced before he was murdered, Billington left ex-Special Forces operative Tony Ramos detailed instructions for an investigation into Saudi complicity in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Now Ramos, in conjunction with Billington's daughter Laura, must uncover a shocking international conspiracy linking Saudi Arabia -- the Kingdom -- to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, in a race against time that will span Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
But will Ramos and his team be able to stop al-Qaeda from unleashing nuclear disaster on American shores and beyond?
Destined to be a titan amongst thrillers, Keys to the Kingdom is infused with inside information and insight into the world of terrorism that only Senator Bob Graham -- as former Chairman of the Senate's Select Committee on Intelligence -- can offer.
http://www.amazon.com/Keys-Kingdom-Bob-Graham/dp/159315660X/
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Bob Graham: From Senator to Novelist
June 8, 2011
Bob Graham has accomplished a lot in his career. He served as governor, then senator of Florida, and on the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry Commission. Former Sen. Graham can now add “novelist” to his long list of achievements. His new book is called "Keys to the Kingdom: A Novel of Suspense." And while it’s fiction, some of the events and characters in the book bear a striking resemblance to former Graham’s real life.
Former Sen. Bob Graham joins us today in the studio.
http://www.thetakeaway.org/2011/jun/08/bob-graham-senator-novelist/
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Thank you to Bob Graham for caring enough to help get the truth out about the events of September 11, 2001.
Keys to the Kingdom
Senator Graham Comes to Tallahassee For Book Signing
WCTV 9:32 AM Jun 7, 2011
Hundreds of people lined up at a local book store to get the autograph of a former Florida Governor.
Senator Bob Graham was at Books-a-million today (6-6) signing his new book "Keys to The Kingdom".
The book is about what Graham calls the secrets and unanswered questions of the 9-11 attacks.
Graham says his readers will be surprised about some of the book's details.
"Well I think they'll be surprised at the role the Saudi's played in 9-11. I think they'll be even more surprised at the extent to which our government went to cover up the Saudi role," said Graham.
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/Senator_Graham_Comes_to_Tallahassee_Fo...
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Graham was in Tallahassee today, signing copies of his new book "Keys to the Kingdom." It's a fictional political thriller based on his belief that the U.S. government covered up Saudi Arabia's role in terrorism following the 9/11 attacks.
Graham admits he wrote the novel because he was angry the administration of George Bush withheld information about the Saudis' role in 9/11.
"My anger is directed at anyone who has made the decision that the American people should not understand the full extent of Saudi involvement in 911 and with that information take the steps to protect us from a future such action by the Saudis."
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/rss/article/206771/4/Anger-Prompts-Novel-f...
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Former Florida Governor and U.S. Senator Bob Graham says most people don’t know the whole story behind 9/11.
On Monday, Graham embarked on a book tour to promote his new novel “Keys to the Kingdom.” The book is about Saudi Arabia’s involvement in the September 11th attacks. Graham had to get clearance from the CIA to release his book, which he spent five years writing. Graham says the book merges fact and fiction.
“It’s fiction, but I would say that 35 to 40 percent of it is pure fact except I changed the names of living people. Another 20 percent is based on fact that is exaggerated and the rest of it is fiction,” said Graham.
Graham chaired the Senate Intelligence Committee during the 9/11 attacks and opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/former-senator-promotes-book-about-9_11
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The "Saudi role" is limited*
and thus is being pushed as part of one or more limited hangouts.
*Limited, but over many decades (the full extent still to be determined, of course).
I recommend looking a bit west to get closer to finding the lead perps of this crime.
Thanks for the update!
Saudi Arabia
Saudi Arabia is the head of the snake when it comes to producing Muslim extremists. Wahhabism is the rule of Saudi Arabia and it is the ideology that these people are brainwashed with. Saudi Arabia promotes and finaces Wahhabism around the world through Madrasses, Mosques, and Islamic studies departments in Universities such as Harvard, Princeton, MIT, etc...
Have you ever seen those little kids bobbing back and forth chanting??? Those are the children that will grow up wanting to kill you ;)
The Saudi Role is not a limited hang out, it is a big part of the problem!
In case you didn't know, most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi's and they were supported and financed by Saudi's which enabled them to carry out the attacks. It is obvious these attacks could not have happened without the help of people within the U.S. power structure, but that doesn't mean Saudi's didn't play a key role in the events of September 11, 2001.
I know some people can't come to grips with the fact that there is more to the story than Bush and Cheney conjuring up this evil plan and implimenting it on thier own, but thast just not true!
If you want to point fingers at the Bush administration as being the sole culprits of the crime, you can't do it with 9/11. You should be looking into the lies that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq ;)
Bob Graham is one of the very few people trying to help the public understand what is going on. He spent 5 years writing this book of fiction ( a very ingenius way to get around the classification problem) to try and get us closer to the truth and I thank him so much for that.
And I'm supposed to be excited about this . . .
because. . . ?
I put a little update on my Jesse Ray Beams article ...
... about this. Blogger is now a full-blown Sunstein site. No question about it.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth. JFK
another gem by Shure
Jeffrey "Shure" Hill's Facebook group.
You have been previously made aware that Shure is a troublemaker, a former "no plane hit the towers" advocate who is now levelling bogus accusations against David Ray Griffin. What is your purpose in maintaining this affiliation? Do you not realize the harm you're doing to the truth movement by doing nothing when you have previously denounced others like CIT in a very public manner? I would very much like to promote your work again, Mr. Chandler. I have distributed a number of your DVD's at Harvard University despite not agreeing with your inclusion of the nanothermite material on it. Continued endorsement of Jeffrey Hill's work, however passive, I cannot tolerate.
Its too bad the "truth" movement is too busy
participating in a carnival act, supporting opportunists like Jesse Ventura and David Ray Griffin when its people like Bob Graham that should have been supported from the start.
But noooooooo,,, Instead attack a REAL HERO and make him part of your 9/11 conspiracy theory.
Once again the truthers miss another golden opportunity and shoot themselves in the foot. Who would have thunk :(
demolition deniers running rampant on Facebook
And yes, David Chandler is still inexplicably a member of this group... https://www.facebook.com/groups/2540075712/
Jeffrey Hill
Keep your lies out of Canada...
Richard Gage Gets Humiliated and Frightened so Badly that his Girlfriend has to Kick Me Out
www.youtube.com
I didn't bother recording the hour and a half "presentation" I sat through. It was just the same crap we've all heard a thousand times Sorry that it ended be...
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Jeffrey Hill AE911 LIE.
Friday at 4:44pm · 1
John Albanese Outstanding work!
Friday at 4:46pm via mobile
Michael Stephen Hes stuttering, trying to refute what he knows deep down is BS. But hey, he has groupies now, fuck the truth.
Friday at 4:51pm · 1
Adam Taylor Please keep in mind Jeff that the guy who filmed this is one of the biggest idiots out there. Only he spread lies there. He claims Barry Jennings retracted his claims about explosions going off in WTC7. That is a demonstrable lie. I asked him on YouTube where Barry Jennings said this in the BBC documentary. He refused to show me which point in the documentary he said this, and then he threatened to delete all my future comments.
Friday at 5:08pm
Jeffrey Hill Do you still think they found thermite?
Friday at 5:09pm
Adam Taylor I've been informed that a response to Millette's study is in the works. I will wait to see what the ATM authors or anyone else has to say in a formal response.
Friday at 5:11pm
Michael Stephen Herbert levine always said that if a fire broke out above the 64th floor those buildings would collapse [http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fstory%2F0%2C2933%2C34342%2C00.html&h=vAQE8AnI2AQF0g5HxQYJfQTMQRiYQ1bLD3a617BsLhFuUSw]
Friday at 5:12pm
John Capuano LOL thats that dsglop guy isnt it?
Friday at 5:14pm
Adam Taylor No disrespect to Mr. Levine, but the lead structural engineer for the towers, John Skilling, was confident his buildings could survive a plane impact and the ensuing fires.
Friday at 5:16pm
John Capuano dsglop is wrong here...at least when he's talking about Jennings. Jennings never went back and said he never heard any bombs or anything like that. All he said on that BBC documentary was he was "taken out of conext" when he was talking about walking over dead bodies. Most of the clips on youtube cut out and don't show his full interview, but after Jennings said that he ALSO said "I just know what I heard and saw" or somehting to that effect. He didn't go back on every one of his claims, just the ONE claim.
Friday at 5:17pm
Michael Stephen I build large structures for a living, and the architects and engineers are wrong more than you know. The 64th floors are where they stopped using the liquid asbestos slurry and switch to non-asbestos foam. I don't know anything for sure.
Friday at 5:18pm
Michael Stephen Nor do I pretend to
Friday at 5:19pm
Jeffrey Hill Adam, what is your opinion on this quote "The preliminary results of a new study of the red-gray chips, commissioned by Chris Mohr, a supporter of the official NIST reports about the destruction of the WTC skyscraper, and authored by Dr. James Millette, have recently been released. They seem to confirm that the composition of the red-gray chips does not match the formula for the primer paint used on the WTC steel structure. Look for a critique of Millette’s study in next month’s Blueprint newsletter."
Friday at 5:19pm
Adam Taylor I think it's fairly accurate. I know several debunkers have been bitching that AE911Truth didn't mention that Millette's study claimed it wasn't thermite, but they do include a link directly to his paper, so I don't think they were really being deceptive or anything. I know debunkers are also now arguing that another type of paint was used in the Towers. Again, the ATM authors have been informed of this, and I'm sure they will take this into consideration in a formal response.
Friday at 5:23pm
Jeffrey Hill Fairly accurate??? FFS!
Friday at 5:24pm
Adam Taylor Like I said Jeff, I've heard all the debunker complaints against it. It's probably not how I would have phrased it, but again, they do link to his paper.
Friday at 5:26pm
John Capuano FOUND IT. Go to 47:02 and keep watching, Barry Jennings: "Do I believe our government would do something like that to its people? No. I honestly don't believe that. All I know is that I was in there and heard what I heard and saw what I saw" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYPm8XzC3g
Friday at 5:31pm
Jeffrey Hill You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I think you are a great guy and very smart. I don't like them taking advatage of you. Thats what I think they are doing. I've been wrong about a lot. I REALLY hope I'm wrong about what I just said, but I don't believe I am ;)
Friday at 5:32pm
John Albanese Steven Jones now claims he's defying the laws of physics having built a perpetual motion machine with common circuits one could buy at Radio Shack.
This is the source of the thermite theory.
He also claimed the Haiti earthquake was man made
He also claimed he found scientific proof that Jesus Christ walked in North America. What a coincidence - he's a Mormon.
Should I start in Gage next?
Friday at 5:32pm via mobile
Jeffrey Hill Wrong about them. No matter what, you are still a good guy in my books.
Friday at 5:34pm
Adam Taylor John, let's try to focus on one scientific theory at a time. After all, Newton was an alchemist, but that doesn't mean we should abandon the laws of physics all of the sudden. Jeff, I can assure you they are no taking advantage of me. I believe them based on my own assessment of what they say. I don't agree with them on everything, and I've written about that quite a bit. And it's not a matter of what I want to believe. I actually hope I'm wrong.
Friday at 5:35pm
Adam Taylor ?"Wrong about them. No matter what, you are still a good guy in my books." And the same goes for you Jeff.
Friday at 5:36pm · 1
Adam Taylor ?"not" taking advantage of me.
Friday at 5:37pm
John Albanese CD defenders loooove claiming they've cornered the market on the laws of physics. Unfortunately - ten years after the fact they have failed to get ANY legitimate support for their claims from ANY scientific bodies or independent researchers or peer reviewed journals or universities or national academies of science or physics societies or engineering periodicals or EVEN A MONORITY OPINION that is recognized within the scientific community.
The laws of physics were violated. Any child can see it!!! Just no one legitimate.
Friday at 5:41pm via mobile · 1
Adam Taylor John, I recommend you look through this person's site: http://www.sealane.org/ He has a paper on the WTC collapse in the Journal of engineering mechanics. He has another that's been accepted by the JEM and is set to be published there.
Speaker. Author, Physics Expert, Expert Witness
www.sealane.org
speaker, writer, author of 'National Swindle of the World Trade Center'
Friday at 5:44pm
John Capuano Just saying, I always found it insanely odd how debunkers go around and when confronted/asked about Jennings' claims, they say "he lied and he later said he never heard or saw anything" which clearly isn't true. He stood by what he said with the exception of the walking over the dead bodies claim, which is shady in and of itself as clearly he wasn't taken out of context at all when he said that.
Friday at 5:44pm
John Albanese Adam - I've had 8 years of this bullshit controlled demolition theory shoved up my ass. It's utter bullshit pushed by frauds and charlatans and useful idiots. It has gotten ZERO serious consideration from from the WORLD scientific community and ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
Friday at 5:48pm via mobile
Jeffrey Hill Jennings told Dylan what he told him. I have no doubt about that. I doubt the buildings were blown up. I might not know physics and engineering, but I know lies. The thermite pushers are a bunch of liars.
Friday at 5:50pm · 1
John Albanese Silencing millions of engineers and physicists all around the world. What a neat trick!!
Friday at 5:54pm via mobile
Adam Taylor I'm sorry John, but I don't believe for a minute that appealing to majority opinion wins an argument. I'm simply going wherever the evidence is taking me. I respect your opinion, but I am trying to keep this civil.
"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." -Mohandas? Gandhi
Friday at 6:19pm
John Albanese Yes - but in science there is something called 'peer review' and scientific consensus. You can't just simply declare YOURSELF as the ultimate AUTHORITY. YOU HAVE TO FUCKING PROVE IT. GET PUBLISHED AT LEAST !!
Friday at 9:28pm via mobile
Hossein Turner Scientific consensus does not equate to the truth.
The problem with the controlled demolition advocates - is that they have theories, but no forensic proof to back them up. So it's a dead-end and a waste of time for all concerned. No reliable independent lab (it doesn't matter how many) has actually replicated Harrit et al's alleged finding of "thermitic material". It's not about theories being accepted by the majority, it's actually having the dust samples verified and tested by people who are not "converted truthers".
Friday at 9:31pm
John Albanese Btw you're TOTALLY misusing the phrase "appeal to authority". The CD crowd has perverted that term and brainwashed their minions to misuse it like the retarded little fucktards they are.
Friday at 9:31pm via mobile
Hossein Turner In other words - how many skeptical chemistry university lab scientists have suddenly "awoken" after an ordinary member of the public sent them a dust sample? None yet.
Friday at 9:33pm
John Albanese Majority consensus does not equal truth. I AGREE
But you can't stand that reality on its head and delegitimize the entire peer review process either. You can't just simply use this logic to legitimize any bullshit trash theory.
There isn't even a meaningful MINORITY position on CD. there is NO meaningful discussion on the topic because it simply is without merit. These claims that the laws of physics were violated is UTTER rubbish. There are NO dissenting opinions on this. No papers. No peer review of the subject. No meaningful debate or ongoing studies. Nothing. Engineers don't take it serious. Physicists don't take it seriously. Just 9/11 Truth conspiracy theorists who claim THEY possess superior depth of understanding of the laws of physics?
Bwahaha!! What a JOKE
I'm not siding with a majority opinion. I'm pointing out that there is ZERO support for this bullshit in the legitimate world of science. That's reality and the CD cult just can't face that fact
Friday at 9:44pm via mobile
Hossein Turner I remember when this guy first sold me on the theory.
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/Confronting%20the%20Evidence/inde...
Friday at 9:49pm
Adam Taylor Again John, I pointed out a respected scientist who has a paper published in the JEM supporting the demolition theory, and another such paper set to be published there as well. He has also done a presentation on the demolition theory to the American Physical Society Meeting, where he also recieved major support. http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/APR08/Event/84051
APS -2008 APS April Meeting and HEDP/HEDLA Meeting - Event - Analysis of the Collapse of the Sout
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Friday at 9:50pm
Hossein Turner AE911TRUTH, has more electrical engineers in its roster than structural or mechanical engineers. A curious fact.
Friday at 9:50pm
Hossein Turner And I bet they're incompetent engineers too.
Friday at 9:50pm
Adam Taylor One of those electrical engineers was the lead electrical engineer for the WTC.
Friday at 9:51pm
Hossein Turner Yes, "theories" that are speculative. Ten years and with no forensic proof = big waste of time.
Friday at 9:52pm
Hossein Turner And then some.
Friday at 10:04pm
Hossein Turner And some of us (like myself) who used to push it for years - since it first came popular in 2004; have come to regret it.
Friday at 10:04pm
Adam Taylor ?"Were there sounds that resemble the sounds you hear when you watch a real "Controlled Demolition" in any of the videos found, that weren't meddled with?" Explosive sounds can be heard in several of the recordings, but the NFPA 921 Guide states that the noise is not the main critera for an explosion.
"Was that photograph used in Steven Jones original paper photoshopped to show Molten Metal?" If so, not be Steven Jones. That same picture is featured in LIFE's book "In the Land of the Free." So they evidently got it from a bad source as well.
"Was the nano-thermite paper partially peer reviewed by someone who said the victims are alive and well and living on a tropical island receiving a Government stipend?" That was simply a hypothesis formulated by Dr. Griscom, who by the way is a very well respected physicist. You should address the science instead of the person.
"Was the nano-thermite paper published in a pay-to-play journal?" The paper was thoroughly peer-reviewed, as they had to re-submit it several times.
"Did Steven Jones state publicly that he thinks the Haiti Earthquake was "manmade?" Did Steven Jones put forward the idea that he discovered a perpetual motion machine?" This is more cases of poisoning the well. Like I said before, we've had scientists like Newton who believed in alchemy, but we don't throw out the laws physics because of that.
Friday at 10:14pm
Hossein Turner But Jones showed the photo that looked like vaguely like molten metal...in order to match his own theory...
Friday at 10:17pm
Hossein Turner And ignored the others, which showed it was lights.
Friday at 10:17pm
Adam Taylor It was an honset mistake on his part. He no longer has it in his paper, and features pictures that clearly do show molten metal.
Friday at 10:18pm
Hossein Turner Schoolboy stuff. Even I checked my sources when I was at university.
Friday at 10:18pm
Hossein Turner Molten metal? So what? You can get molten copper and other metals from normal fires.
Friday at 10:19pm
Adam Taylor Normal fires cannot vaprize lead, which was reported by RJ Lee.
Friday at 10:20pm
Hossein Turner And I didn't pull that out of my ass either. I've researched the CD angle for longer than anybody in this thread.
Friday at 10:20pm
Hossein Turner Vapors of lead can be released before it even boils.
Friday at 10:21pm
Hossein Turner When lead is molten, it releases minute amounts of vapors at a progressive rate as temperatures are increased
Friday at 10:22pm
Hossein Turner RJ Lee. You can selectively quote him as much as you like.
Friday at 10:22pm
Adam Taylor RJ lee reported it had boiled and then vaporized. If you are interested in the Ground Zero heat issue, I would recommend this: http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dreger/GroundZeroHeat2008_07_10.pdf
Friday at 10:23pm
Hossein Turner No, he said it was "volatized" not boiled.
Friday at 10:25pm
Hossein Turner And that can happen well below the boiling-point.
Friday at 10:25pm
Adam Taylor Volatilization is boiling.
Friday at 10:26pm
Hossein Turner There was a lot of copper in those buildings, let's not forget all the wiring. Prove to me that the molten metal was not copper, and that it was steel. There is no evidence.
Friday at 10:26pm
Hossein Turner No. The phase transition from liquid to vapour = volatisation.
Friday at 10:28pm
Hossein Turner And in lead, that can happen before boiling point.
Friday at 10:28pm
Hossein Turner Adam, the CD people lied to me and they're lying to you. It's the truth. It sucks, but trust me - we already have damning evidence for a treasonous cover-up.
Friday at 10:30pm
Adam Taylor I have studied the CD issue extensively for the last 4 1/2 years. I've recently completed a 220 page paper on just this topic. I find the demolition theory has extremely hard evidence. Please, if you have issues with the CD theory, I recommend you check out our website: http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/
Debunking the Debunkers
?911debunkers.blogspot.com
Friday at 10:33pm
Adam Taylor I agree that the other issues of 9/11 are very important, but I believe the CD theory has just as hard evidence behind it.
Friday at 10:35pm
Adam Taylor Yes, absolutely. But like I said, the CD theory has just as hard evidence behind it as the other issues. If you visit the site I have linked above, you can see how we have articulated that.
Friday at 10:38pm
Adam Taylor Yes, John-Michael is a very good friend of mine and is one of the best researchers I know. And he has focused on more than CD on the site. As
Friday at 10:40pm
Hossein Turner Adam......from your "debunking the debunkers link":-
"The paper is very long - 25 pages with 33 coloured pictures, many of which fill an entire page. A paper like that would never be accepted by a top journal like Nature or Science. "
That is such laughable nonsense. It's pure conspiratorial hogwash. I've read many papers in established and respected journals such as the IEEE that are longer than the nano-termite paper and have large colour pictures in the pages. And importantly, these papers were niche areas in cosmology/astronomy too. But still accepted.
Friday at 10:41pm
Adam Taylor We simply try to look at all the evidence and decide what has the hardest evidence behind it. But like I said, we have more on our site than just CD theories.
Friday at 10:42pm
Adam Taylor I honestly feel your focusing on the actual journal rather than the paper.
Friday at 10:44pm
Hossein Turner I rebutted your claim.
Friday at 10:46pm
Hossein Turner Regarding the paper - it was published by people who were already converted truthers.
Friday at 10:46pm
Hossein Turner And as Jon Gold said, with very questionnable credibility and statements.
Friday at 10:46pm
Hossein Turner Yeah, I preferred Kevin Ryan when he was just talking about what he knew - i.e. the building stuff. Although, didn't he test water when he worked at UL?
Friday at 10:48pm
Adam Taylor This seems to be circular logic. Because they are "truthers" they can't be taken seriously. What would a scientist have to do to believe the CD theory and not be considered a "truther?"
Friday at 10:48pm
Adam Taylor I can assure you there is nothing selfish about what I'm doing. I'm trying to find out the true reasons almost 3000 people died.
Friday at 10:49pm
Hossein Turner Send the dust samples to university physics or chemistry departments - to scientists who are not interested in 9/11 truth and who are very skeptical of such theories. Get them to look for the thermitic material, or some skeptical PHD students working in the labs to do the same, with cameras (if you want to be conspiratorial). That hasn't happened yet. Harrit "came out" about his skepticism when he saw building 7 fall, etc.
Friday at 10:50pm
Adam Taylor I obviously cannot speak for the ATM authors, but it should be kept in mind that they do not have very many samples to begin with, and some of them have already suspiciously gone missing. They have frquently encouraged others to get their own dust samples and test them.
Friday at 10:52pm
Hossein Turner Yes, how convenient - after all these years, none of this was done.
Friday at 10:52pm
Adam Taylor Jon, I respect much of the work you have done, and much of it is featured on our site. But I would never say of you as you have of others promoting the CD theory.
Friday at 10:53pm
Adam Taylor They've had samples stolen right out of their mail. I'm not surprised they're hesitant about handing them over to others.
Friday at 10:53pm
Hossein Turner After ALL these years? What has the movement become - when it went down this path?
Friday at 10:54pm
Adam Taylor I would like to clarify that I am not here to fight with anyone. I simply would like a civil discussion of these issues.
Friday at 10:55pm
Hossein Turner From your website:-
"By questioning the chain of custody you are effectively accusing the scientists and the citizens of conspiring to fake evidence by manufacturing high-tech energetic nanocomposites that only a handful of labs in the world can even make"
How come water-boy Kevin Ryan can make them then? He said he did make some a couple of years back.
Friday at 10:57pm
Adam Taylor Jon, did you not say something along the lines of "f*** those who push CD theories," or something like that?
Friday at 10:59pm
Adam Taylor I could have sowrn I rwad that somewhere.
Friday at 10:59pm
Adam Taylor ?"How come water-boy Kevin Ryan can make them then? He said he did make some a couple of years back." It has taken him years to do it. He didn't even have them completed years back.
Friday at 11:00pm
Hossein Turner ?"It has taken him years to do it. He didn't even have them completed years back." - Nope. I remember him saying to Michael Wolsey that he made some himself.
Friday at 11:03pm
Adam Taylor I sympathize with you. I've gotten pretty frustrated myself with people pushing nonsense. But I try to remian civil about it.
Friday at 11:03pm
Adam Taylor Are you acusing them of falsiyfying their data? Even though Millette's study claims it wasn't thermite, he has confirmed this material was everywhere in the dust.
Friday at 11:04pm
Adam Taylor Again, please know that I think you have done great work in the Truth Movement Jon, and hope you will see that I am very sincere in my quest for the truth as well. I simply hold to one easy philosophy in my life; I agree with people where I agree with them, and I disagree where I disagree with them. Nothing more, nothing less.
Friday at 11:06pm
Frank Legge Who is the person interrogating Richard Gage in such an uncivilized manner?
Saturday at 1:52am
Hossein Turner Still flogging that same old horse, Mr Legge?
Saturday at 8:03am
John Albanese Hey Frank - how ya been?
Remember when u snitchjacketed me in an email chain to 9/11 Truthers accusing me of being an agent because I oppose promoting the SCIENTIFC FRAUD STEVEN JONES?
I do. And I still have the email to prove it.
Do u think accusing 9/11 activists who won't support scientific fraud of being agents adds more credibility to you cause?
Saturday at 8:16am via mobile · 1
Hossein Turner lol
Saturday at 8:17am
Hossein Turner He's still floggin' that horse. His profile pic shows it :P
Saturday at 8:18am
John Albanese It's a beautiful horse. Don't blame the horse. Lol
Saturday at 8:21am via mobile · 1
Adam Taylor Dr. Legge, this is who that guy is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQSqDWsIREs
Saturday at 11:02am
Adam Taylor He is a complete nobody.
Saturday at 11:05am
Hossein Turner Jon is just a joe schmoe.
Saturday at 11:06am
John Albanese Adam can declare people complete nobodies because he is so important himself
Saturday at 11:10am via mobile · 1
Adam Taylor Don't put words in my mouth John. He is a nobody because he contributes absolutely NOTHING to the discussion of what happened on 9/11. That is all I'm trying to do.
Saturday at 11:12am
Michael Stephen When are the '911 truthers' going to stop it with the bullshit? Really man, there was no need to go for some ultra complicated plot, you had planes full of fuel. Fuck man, step back into reality
Saturday at 11:15am
Adam Taylor I'm well grounded in reality. Regardless of the fuel, those fires could not have caused collapse. Period.
Saturday at 11:17am
Michael Stephen Bullshit [http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fstory%2F0%2C2933%2C34342%2C00.html&h=YAQHrunGPAQHR6Vp7qPAQAwc_l5MaJpzHqMznG5MqqvQXJQ]
Saturday at 11:20am · 1
John Albanese Adam - you're LESS than a nobody. You ACTIVELY defend and promote known liars and frauds.
Saturday at 11:21am via mobile
Michael Stephen Maybe there were fires in other high rises, but they weren't hit by 767's either. The hole in the pentagon also matches up quite well with the size of the fuselage of a 767, not to mention the debris everywhere. For every piece of 'evidence'( I use that term loosely) for CD I can find 10 pieces of evidence which contradict it.
Saturday at 11:23am
Hossein Turner Play nicely folks :P
Saturday at 11:23am
Michael Stephen If you want justice and a real investigation, keeping things in the muddled realms of conspiracy theories will not get you one.
Saturday at 11:25am
Michael Stephen To the average person, CD is equivalent to Space Beams and holographic planes.
Saturday at 11:26am
John Albanese Which is exactly why the media focuses on it. It is a DISRUPTION technique. But what do you say about the activists who enable it by refusing to stop promoting known liars and frauds ?
Saturday at 11:28am via mobile
Hossein Turner Morgan Reynolds....
Saturday at 11:29am
Hossein Turner Hufschmid...
Saturday at 11:29am
John Albanese CD IS the equivalent of space beams and holographic planes.
Saturday at 11:31am via mobile
Michael Stephen pretty much
Saturday at 11:31am
Adam Taylor For the record, I happen to believe American 77 crashed into the Pentagon. I can clearly see I'm not welcome here. We have addressed virtually all aspects of the CD theory on our site. If you are interested in this question, I recommend you go there and read several of the technical articles I myself have written.
Saturday at 11:32am
Hossein Turner You're fairly new to this aren't you Mr Taylor?
Saturday at 11:33am
Adam Taylor I'm actually quite used to being in these kind of disputes with both debunkers and truthers. The difference is it usually is a little more civil with other truthers.
Saturday at 11:34am
Hossein Turner Albanese has lost his civility of late. Probably because he's been in this longer than most of us, and has no patience left.
Saturday at 11:35am
Michael Stephen You are a caterer Adam, what exactly are your technical qualifications? My guess is an internet education which really means a BS education.
Saturday at 11:36am
Michael Stephen I can hardly blame him Hoz
Saturday at 11:36am
Hossein Turner Taylor is a smart kid actually. Just misled, like I was.
Saturday at 11:37am
John Albanese I read thru this thread and I see someone brought up that Jones ' paper was peer reviewed by someone who is claiming the victims on the planes are alive and living off Swiss bank accounts
In how many different levels is this repugnant. It is akin to claiming victims of the holocaust conspired with the nazis to fake the event
It is also intellectually absurd
It also an indication that the peer review process associated with Jones' paper was not credible impartial and professional. It is LAUGHABLE
This is just self evident. Any ADULT could understand this much
Yet - when I look at this thread I see Adam attempted to defend this LAUGHABLE fact with simple dismissive have waving.
So what does that say about the objectivity and credibility of Adam?
Saturday at 11:37am via mobile
Hossein Turner He'll come round.
Saturday at 11:37am
Adam Taylor I'm currently attending a univeristy where I am going for my Bachlor of Science degree.
Saturday at 11:38am · 1
Michael Stephen Good.
Saturday at 11:38am
John Albanese Study harder
Saturday at 11:39am via mobile · 2
Hossein Turner lol
Saturday at 11:40am
Michael Stephen The level of disinfo and misinfo in the 9/11 truth movement has become staggering. I am beginning to think that was the intention
Saturday at 11:41am
Hossein Turner John can be such an asshat.
Saturday at 11:41am
John Albanese Lol
Saturday at 11:57am via mobile
Will Chandler ever cave in?...
As in retract his excellent explanation of how WTC7 was a controlled demolition based on free fall velocity? The LIHOP gang steer away from controlled demolition when they can. It is so incompatible with their agenda to blame Muslim terrorists. Thankfully Newtonian physics has firm foundations and Chandler will not be able to refute his free fall explanation even if he wanted to.
Self Pawned!
Here's some more from them...
Jeffrey Hill
World Trade Center Conversations - Structural Engineer Charles Thornton
www.youtube.com
Conversation with structural engineer Charles Thornton, December 15, 2008 http://www.pumpitout.com/
Share · 2 hours ago
Michael Stephen likes this.
Jeffrey Hill Listen to the conversation at 6minutes & especially 18min30sec.
2 hours ago
John Albanese ?(cracks knuckles)
2 hours ago via mobile
Michael Stephen They need to go back to using full concrete fireproofing on all structural members
2 hours ago
Michael Stephen It's too expensive they say
2 hours ago
Jeffrey Hill It sounds like you are better educated in this area than most if not all the AE911 professionals :)
2 hours ago · 1
John Albanese It's not a lack of education. It's a lack of integrity. They have a holy hypothesis to protect.
2 hours ago via mobile · 2
Michael Stephen I don't know about that, but heavy construction of large buildings is what I do for a living.
2 hours ago · 1
Michael Stephen ?@ John lol ain't it the truth
2 hours ago
Jeffrey Hill Well said John. Definitely a lack of integrity. That is a fact!
about an hour ago · 1
Michael Stephen Architects and engineers are wrong all the time, and they consistently (in my experience) make design flaws. Usually these are discovered during the construction phase by people like me, which then halts a certain area of the project until another architect or engineer signs off on the new plan. Sometimes though, the flaws themselves are ignored by the so-called professionals
about an hour ago · 1
Michael Stephen There are 2 buildings in Godfrey Illinois that I built and I damn sure would not want to be inside of them if there were an earthquake
about an hour ago
Jeffrey Hill Disturbing to think about how many more there are besides those two that you know of.
about an hour ago
Michael Stephen im sure there are plenty. Look what happened to Haiti during their EQ. Most of that was due to cutting corners for profit.
about an hour ago
Jeffrey Hill Cutting corners for profit... the way of the world these days.
about an hour ago
John Bursill
Hello all, just wondering if your allowing posts that include controlled demolition material? I heard that John Albanese and some others have been getting a little nasty about such? I want to know if I should recomend anyone to come to this group if they will find such a seemingly unreasonable stance offencive?
Yesterday at 5:47am
Hossein Turner http://www.oilempire.us/demolition.html
Yesterday at 6:44am
Jeffrey Hill Have any proof? Go ahead and post it. You haven't once recomended or added anyone to this group since I started it. Your post is obviously meant to just cause a stir.
Yesterday at 7:30am
Hossein Turner Albanese can be an ass :P
Yesterday at 7:30am · 1
John Albanese I thought u said I was an asshat? Which is it? I can't be an ass AND an asshat at the same time. It's simple physics. Grade school physics. Taught it 2nd grade. Sometime to the fetus in the womb.
Yesterday at 8:06am via mobile · 2
Hossein Turner ?"Asshat" is an americanism. I'm British.
Yesterday at 8:06am
John Albanese Oh. Ok
Yesterday at 8:25am via mobile
John Bursill Ok all good....lol...I just got asked by a Friend if he should join that's why I asked...and Jeff I do read here but I don't invite people to groups.
Yesterday at 11:11am via mobile
Michael Stephen CD posts might garner some argumentative responses from some of us lol
about an hour ago
Wolsey... Hill... Legge... Bursill.../
...it's a Cass Sunstein house party!
Chandler has since...
...had them remove him as an admin, but is still a member of the group despite the apparent disconnect between the views of its members and his own. Not just that, but he never actually posts anything there himself. Very very strange.
Al Queada had nothing to do with 9/11 so. . .
. . . why bother with all the discussion about the Saudi's being linked to Al Queada? It doesn't exist. It never really did. 9/11 was the work of rogue elements withing our own government. Everything else is irrelevant.
Those who were behind 9/11 must love hearing all this conjecture about who was associated with Al Queada and who may have aided them, pre-9/11.
Nonsense. All of them, the bin-Ladens, Al Queada, the Saudi Ruling class, all of them are just fronts for the CIA and MI6. And now, we're supposed to believe that the Saudis are now the victims of the "incubator of violence." Hah?
These groups are OUR bitch, not the other way around.
Conspiracy theories Vs Research
Your post shows you are a conspiracy theorist with basically no knowledge of the events of 9-11, who were involved, and what led to it.
And a plane hit the pentagon.
question
As remo pointed out in this thread, Sibel Edmonds stated in her last podcast that none of the FBI translaters she worked with had ever seen or heard any mention of "Al Qaeda" before 9/11. I'm not taking sides in an argument - just wondering what you think about why they hadn't.
I posed another question at Sibel's site
According to this document from the Congressional Research Service (http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/033104.pdf), Al Qaeda was responsible for attacks going back to 1992.
How does that jive with none of the translators hearing/seeing the term "Al Qaeda" before 9/11?
The simple answer
is that "al Qaeda" was not mentioned in anything they were translating, either by chance OR design.
Translators can be compartmentalized, too.
As for the general question of the relative importance of this issue, anytime we further deconstruct the official narrative and/or the layers of the back story for said narrative AND who is creating said back story, we get closer to finding the perps who planned and executed the crime.
Always a good thing, imho.
Be well and keep asking questions.
The truth shall set us free, but sometimes the truth can be a puzzle.
Love is the only way forward, and through love we have the patience to put the puzzle together.
She said
She said that was all of them - 250. All I can think of is that they made the term backwards compatible when they started using it.
NYCGuy -
Do you really think that all of the crimes of 9/11 were committed by U.S. citizens on U.S. soil, AND that ALL these people were also in the government?