DRG on GOD.TV

Saw this on 9/11Blogger and it wasn't getting any discussion. I watched it and then looked over God.TV for a few hours.
http://www.god.tv/video/play?video=1219
I'm not so much interested in the interview with DRB as much as God.TV.
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DRG on GOD.TV![]() Saw this on 9/11Blogger and it wasn't getting any discussion. I watched it and then looked over God.TV for a few hours. http://www.god.tv/video/play?video=1219 I'm not so much interested in the interview with DRB as much as God.TV. |
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Mixing Up End Times Non Sense With 9/11 Truth?
Great interview but it's useless for promoting 9/11 Truth. Would anyone feel comfortable sending a 9/11 Truth NOOB to this end times / apocalypse non sense? The God Shop? hahahah
This is from God.TV....
Join Rory & Wendy, and the GOD TV family all over the world, in this apostolic prophetic act as we prepare the Holy Land for the return of the King...
GOD TV is planting over ONE MILLION TREES across the Holy Land as a miraculous sign to Israel and to the world that Jesus is coming soon. This is a unique opportunity to make your mark on the land of Israel.
Or maybe you'd rather help clean the desert in a different way....
"While clearing land as part of Israel’s project to reclaim the desert as suitable residential ground, a buried ‘world’ was unveiled. This historical gem has revealed buildings and artifacts from an ancient Christian community who lived in the Holy Land over 1500 years ago!"
"As a GOD TV viewer, you are invited to be part of uncovering and maintaining this site, by donating towards this historic excavation."
Eeeek!
This is no different then the criminal evangelists on TV who rob from the poor, sick and dying and use "Israel Tress" to help them do it. I don't know much about organized religion but I do watch the TV shows. They love to tie the state of Israel in and demonize the dirty Arabs that hate the Jews. It's really pretty concerning. As far as the evangelists go, they are a disgrace.
What is interesting is that if you do a google site:www.godtv.com + muslim you only get a few results. Here's what I found:
Google Result #1:
http://www.god.tv/node/1285
Google Result #2
http://www.god.tv/missionsweek
Plus we had some very special guests on set with us this evening - precious viewer Pelham Gross who shared his testimony with the GOD TV Family... Curt Landry of House of David Ministries, who spoke about the Biblical importance of standing with Israel at this time... and our good friend Nasir Siddiki, an ex-Muslim convert whose testimony of God's faithfulness truly brought encouragement to us all.
Google Result #3
http://www.god.tv/node/118
What a privilege it was for me to welcome Shiryawati into her new home when I returned to Sri Lanka in December and shared in her joy and excitement. More than 50 people gathered to celebrate the occasion including her Muslim and Hindu neighbours, and the local newspaper were curious to know what God she had been praying to who had provided her with one of the nicest houses in the neighbourhood!
Google Result #4
http://www.god.tv/movie-reviews/munich
The ludicrous campaign for a Palestinian state within Israel is akin to Muslim settlers in Great Britain demanding that Wales become an Islamic republic. In spite of this, Israel has given land, but to date has had no peace.
Google Result #5 (last one)
End Time Handmaidens Now a Christian, W.L. Cati shares her experiences living as a Muslim.
So obviously this isn't a scientific demonstration of bias for Israel / against Arabs. Google might have missed the pro-Muslim pages. But doesn't it seem a bit odd that God.TV seems focus so much on Israel but hardly mentions Muslims at all?
I admit I've only spent a few hours looking over the site. But what I've seen so far is disturbing.
This sounds like a Cass Sustien presentation to me. Oh and Gret, you can probably add this guy (RORY not DRG) to the 911 Truth hairstylist wanted ad.
I don't get it...
I don't have time to look at God.tv right now, but why would they host DRG? How does 911truth fit in with preparing for the Apocalypse?
that is the good thing
No time huh? Well maybe THIS will free up your schedule...
God.TV presents....The Mighty Men Conference

I have no idea what 9/11 has to do with the Apocalypse.
rapture index
http://www.raptureready.com/rap2.html (33 at least)
they want bad things to happen because they might confirm prophecies from the bible and if it gets bad enough then the 'jesus' will appear.
after watching...
I have to say it was a really good interview. The hosts are likable and there is nothing really about end times at all. Just DRG answering good questions from the host.
I'm not really sure what's going on here.
I watched some other videos and it seems like the female host has done the research about 9/11 and is really excited about having DRG on the show and really interested. But I'm really suspicious of the venue. Mixing this other hokey stuff like Alien Abduction, the Return of Jesus, the end times , Biblical prophecy, Crop Circles etc. etc... is a horrible idea.
Be nice to focus on the carbon based life forms (here on planet earth) that actually planned the 9/11 Attack and executed it with military precision on 9/11/2001.
It hasn't been a good week at 911blogger...
I'm not enthused about the coverage given to the Zeitgeist guy and the Alex Jones video -- which is featured very prominently.
OTOH, this is a good remark from 911SATTYA
God TV versus the universities
It's staggering, really, to see the interviewers on "God TV" , with all the end-times symbols and the like, opening their minds to these issues in a way the universities do not. We might expect that they would weave what Dr. Griffin is saying into their own mythology, and I suppose they will be doing that at some point, but there's not much evidence of it on the show. They ask viewers to be patient with information they may find disturbing; they ask viewers to remain open-minded; they suggest people do their own reading and research to try and make up their own minds; they stress the importance of the truth. They even, I was surprised to hear, suggest that worshipping God is not the same as worshipping the state and that it is important to get one's priorites straight. I suppose the reason I find this staggering is that I have met the opposite response within many universities. There is a great deal of disinterest, and, when the discussion does get off the ground, a huge amount of arrogance and trust in the state combined with scant knowledge of the subject. I have been told by colleagues that my views are nuts, crazy, and "morally appalling"--all this by people who know virtually nothing about the issue and cannot even sustain a brief debate. I have been told by a professor at my university that he knows I'm wrong and does not have to look at evidence (which he calls "details"). The matter does not require evidence, he said to me; it only requires "good judgment." I won't take my critique of the university further here but will just conclude by saying that, to my surprise, these young people on "God TV" have a couple of lessons to teach the universities when it comes to 9/11. Whether they will get away with this open-mindedness, given the other people whose work they support (such as Tim LaHaye), is another matter. Time will tell.
Submitted by 911SATYA on Wed, 04/21/2010 - 5:15pm.
Anyone know about this?
I'm not familiar with the Bible. But my basic understanding is that Jews believe that the savior has yet to come to Earth. Christians believe the savior came once and will come again when the time is right.
So how does this difference get addressed?
I've spent a little time following TV groups similar to God.TV and the urgent support for Israel is almost always there. Pat Robertson is always interupting so-called 'news' segments about the middle east on The 700 Club. He interrupts and gives his commentary over top the news while displaying Arabs, the enemy, running around dirty poor streets.
If you want a more trust-worthy source of anti-Muslim propaganda, you can turn to the National Geographic Channel and catch a special anti-Muslim documentary. Oh yea...you know they show those two Bin Laden videos a bunch of times.
well...
I found this to be very helpful:
http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm
Mashiach: The Messiah
Level: Intermediate
• The Jewish idea of mashiach is a great human leader like King David, not a savior
• There is much speculation about when the mashiach will come
• The Bible identifies several tasks that the mashiach will accomplish
• Jews do not believe in Jesus because he did not accomplish these tasks
The Messianic Idea in Judaism
Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: ingathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service.
Modern scholars suggest that the messianic concept was introduced later in the history of Judaism, during the age of the prophets. They note that the messianic concept is not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the Torah (the first five books of the Bible).
However, traditional Judaism maintains that the messianic idea has always been a part of Judaism. The mashiach is not mentioned explicitly in the Torah, because the Torah was written in terms that all people could understand, and the abstract concept of a distant, spiritual, future reward was beyond the comprehension of some people. However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times.
The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.
The word "mashiach" does not mean "savior." The notion of an innocent, divine or semi-divine being who will sacrifice himself to save us from the consequences of our own sins is a purely Christian concept that has no basis in Jewish thought. Unfortunately, this Christian concept has become so deeply ingrained in the English word "messiah" that this English word can no longer be used to refer to the Jewish concept. The word "mashiach" will be used throughout this page.
Some gentiles have told me that the term "mashiach" is related to the Hebrew term "moshiah" (savior) because they sound similar, but the similarity is not as strong as it appears to one unfamiliar with Hebrew. The Hebrew word "mashiach" comes from the root Mem-Shin-Chet, which means to paint, smear, or annoint. The word "moshiah" comes from the root Yod-Shin-Ayin, which means to help or save. The only letter these roots have in common is Shin, the most common letter in the Hebrew language. The "m" sound at the beginning of the word moshiah (savior) is a common prefix used to turn a verb into a noun. For example, the verb tzavah (to command) becomes mitzvah (commandment). Saying that "mashiach" is related to "moshiah" is a bit like saying that ring is related to surfing because they both end in "ing."
The Mashiach
The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.
It has been said that in every generation, a person is born with the potential to be the mashiach. If the time is right for the messianic age within that person's lifetime, then that person will be the mashiach. But if that person dies before he completes the mission of the mashiach, then that person is not the mashiach.
When Will the Mashiach Come?
There are a wide variety of opinions on the subject of when the mashiach will come. Some of Judaism's greatest minds have cursed those who try to predict the time of the mashiach's coming, because errors in such predictions could cause people to lose faith in the messianic idea or in Judaism itself. This actually happened in the 17th century, when Shabbatai Tzvi claimed to be the mashiach. When Tzvi converted to Islam under threat of death, many Jews converted with him. Nevertheless, this prohibition has not stopped anyone from speculating about the time when the mashiach will come.
Although some scholars believed that G-d has set aside a specific date for the coming of the mashiach, most authority suggests that the conduct of mankind will determine the time of the mashiach's coming. In general, it is believed that the mashiach will come in a time when he is most needed (because the world is so sinful), or in a time when he is most deserved (because the world is so good). For example, each of the following has been suggested as the time when the mashiach will come:
What Will the Mashiach Do?
Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)
The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15).
Olam Ha-Ba: The Messianic Age
The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come. This term can cause some confusion, because it is also used to refer to a spiritual afterlife. In English, we commonly use the term "messianic age" to refer specifically to the time of the messiah.
Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people (Isaiah 2:4). Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9). Others, however, say that these statements are merely an allegory for peace and prosperity.
All of the Jewish people will return from their exile among the nations to their home in Israel (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). The law of the Jubilee will be reinstated.
In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9). There will be no murder, robbery, competition or jealousy. There will be no sin (Zephaniah 3:13). Sacrifices will continue to be brought in the Temple, but these will be limited to thanksgiving offerings, because there will be no further need for expiatory offerings.
Some gentiles have tried to put an ugly spin on this theology, claiming that Jews plan to force people to convert to our religion, perhaps based on their own religion's history of doing exactly the same thing. That is not at all how Jews understand the messianic age. We believe that in that future time, everyone will simply know what the truth is, in the same way that we know that 2+2=4, and there will no longer be any reason to argue about it. It is much like a situation I witnessed at work once: two computer programmers were arguing loudly and at length about whether it was possible for a user to input data at a certain point in a program. Finally someone pressed a key and they all saw that nothing happened. Now they knew the truth, end of argument. When mashiach comes, theological truths will be equally obvious to mankind, and there will be no reason to argue about it.
What About Jesus?
Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do.
On the contrary, another Jew born about a century later came far closer to fulfilling the messianic ideal than Jesus did. His name was Shimeon ben Kosiba, known as Bar Kokhba (son of a star), and he was a charismatic, brilliant, but brutal warlord. Rabbi Akiba, one of the greatest scholars in Jewish history, believed that Bar Kokhba was the mashiach. Bar Kokhba fought a war against the Roman Empire, catching the Tenth Legion by surprise and retaking Jerusalem. He resumed sacrifices at the site of the Temple and made plans to rebuild the Temple. He established a provisional government and began to issue coins in its name. This is what the Jewish people were looking for in a mashiach; Jesus clearly does not fit into this mold. Ultimately, however, the Roman Empire crushed his revolt and killed Bar Kokhba. After his death, all acknowledged that he was not the mashiach.
Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name. Leo Rosten reports some very entertaining accounts under the heading False Messiahs in his book, The Joys of Yiddish. But all of these people died without fulfilling the mission of the mashiach; therefore, none of them were the mashiach. The mashiach and the Olam Ha-Ba lie in the future, not in the past.
Biblical Passages Referring to the Mashiach
The following passages in the Jewish scriptures are the ones that Jews consider to be messianic in nature or relating to the end of days. These are the ones that we rely upon in developing our messianic concept:
If you want to know how Jews interpret the passages that Christians consider to be messianic, see the Jews for Judaism website, especially the Knowledge Base under Resources. The Knowledge Base addresses more than 130 of the most common arguments that evangelists make to Jews.
pulling from my "Late Great Planet Earth" days...
I believe that the Hebrew scriptures prophesied about two different messiah entities...the "reigning christ" and the "suffering christ"
many born-agains believe the suffering christ or savior has come and departed, and they should now await and prepare for this reigning christ, who, btw, sounds more like this great human leader during the end times.
and, according to that book's author, Jews have been persecuted throughout time for not recognizing the first coming.
anybody?