Zionist, Zionist, Zionist....

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388

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It is really painful and hard when you start treading in this deeply taboo area. You have to ask yourself who benefits from this taboo, however. Is there any other political ideology so well protected as this? (Maybe an analog is capitalism, which has bound itself so tightly with the idea of liberty that criticizing it is often tantamount to saying "I hate democracy" in the ears of many people, because they can't separate the two concepts.)

Bear in mind that many people here are REACTING to the complete shutting-down of this avenue of inquiry elsewhere, like at 911blogger -- people are excited to find a forum where their criticism of Zionism, certain Zionists, and Israel is NOT immediately met with cries of "Anti-Semite!"

So I encourage you to hang in there and question as many of your assumptions as you can stand to. And write about other stuff as much as you want. I enjoyed your UFO-distraction blog a lot.

Zionism and other Marginal Thoughts-Gilad Atzmon

One way to look into marginal politics is to illuminate the problematic tension between demands for equality and the maintenance of clannish supremacist world views. I am referring here to the difficult duality involved in requesting to be seen like everyone else while considering oneself to be superior. At first glance, it seems as if a humanist demand to equalise civil rights would address the issue and resolve any form of tension between the margin and the centre. But marginal politics intends to defeat any humanistic call for equalisation. For the marginal politician, assimilation, emancipation, integration and even liberation are death threats.

http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20files/ziomargin.html

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I'm sure RT can give you a much more eloquent response, but here's my dos pesos.

I'm curious just what you mean by balance and how you would define it in this situation. True, there is a heavy emphasis all the Zionist links and related history on this blog compared to most other 9/11 sites. As far as balance, well, the mainstreem media pretty much censors all the relevent Zionist information and most of the other 9/11 alternative conspiracy sites either help to keep it completely under wraps or offers only very limited hangouts while hiding the most important Zionist connections. So, I guess I see this focus on Zionism on this web site as a counter-balance. Perhaps if the other outlets gave even a fraction of the relevent information on the Zionist stuff and told the truth, then we wouldn't have to focus on it so much here. I would contend that if the Zionist connection is as important and central to 9/11 as a lot of us claim it is, then the more the other information outlets suppress this information, the more we need to talk about it. I'm just grateful that somebody is talking about it, and not just the insignificant pieces but the whole story and context, because I've become convinced that you cannot begin to understand the WHO and WHY of 9/11 without connecting the dots to the last 100 years of history around the Israeli Palestinian conflict and the whole Zionist nexus manipulating world affairs.

"I probably am not as educated on this topic as many of you."

Thanks for this admission. I would contend that your view on the significance of the Zionist factor might change if you continue educating yourself about the history of Zionist maniulation of world affairs. I'm going to copy my recent post I made on 911b bacause it contains a lot of useful links for you to educate yourself more about this history. I know it takes time a lot of time, but I really recommend actually following the links and reading up on this history:

Don't look at the Zionists behind the curtain!
The media and disinfo artists purposefully confuses the Zionist issue with the Judaism thing in order to program people to react emotionally whenever anybody wants to point out the DOCUMENTED extent of Zionist influence in the US.

Just consider a simple fact: 12 of 14 top Neocons in the Bush Administration are Zionists. Google it! Several of them even have DUEL ISRAELI CITIZENSHIP:

Paul Wolfowitz
Elliot Abrams
David Wurmser
Lewis Libby
Richard Perle

And ALL the other Neocons have important ties and involvement in Zionism. For example,
Douglas Feith - Managing Attorney for Feith & Zell, P.C. (a merger with an Israeli law firm who now deals with reconstruction contracts coming out of Iraq) Absolute Zionist. Feith and Zell was Douglas Feith and Marc Zell a man who moved his family to an Israel settlement Alon Shevut in the West Bank. All the other Neocons have similarly important Zionist connections.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon: "I don't care what the American people think, we own congress."

During an argument between the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, Peres said that Isralis' policies of continued violence might "turn the US against us". To this Sharon retorted: "EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING, YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DON'T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL; WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA. AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT." -- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon October 3, 2001 (IAP News)

Letter from James Abourezk, former US Senator from South Dakota on the Israel Lobby dated December 2006
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/senabourekonIsraelinfluence04dec06.shtml

""I can tell you from personal experience that, at least in the Congress, the support Israel has in that body is based completely on political fear—fear of defeat by anyone who does not do what Israel wants done. I can also tell you that very few members of Congress—at least when I served there—have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly how they feel. I’ve heard too many cloakroom conversations in which members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how they’re pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one of them is willing to risk the Lobby’s animosity by making their feelings public."

Watch this video
Not so cool facts about Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzNPZf-5aO4

Listen to this:
Christopher Jon Bjerknes Interviews Jim Condit, Jr.
May 23, 2007
http://www.jewishracism.com/Condit24May2007.mp3

More important history of Zionism:

The Hidden History of Zionism
By Ralph Schoenman
http://theunjustmedia.com/Jewish%20Zionists/The%20Hidden%20History%20of%...

Timeline of Zionist Terror from
The UN Report Prepared for Ralphe Bunche from a UN committee 01 October 1948
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html

9/11 must be viewed within this wider context of the Zionist program in order to really understand its significance. If you want to read a book on 9/11 that puts it in this fuller context, get "9/11 The Ultimate Truth"by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Joe Quinn
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1897244223
http://www.qfgpublishing.com/product_info.php?products_id=52

The ultimate plan of the Zionists:

In his Complete Diaries, Vol.II, Page 711, Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, says that the area of the Jewish state stretches: "From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates".

Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the U.N. Special Committee of Enquiry on July 9, 1947:

"The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt to the Euphrates. It includes parts of Syria and Lebanon."

Have you heard any politician in any office in the United States actually oppose Israel or defend Palestinian rights? Let alone call for the dismantling of the State of Israel? Many elected officials opposed the apartheid state of South Africa, why don't any oppose Israel? Think about it. The way that Israel controls politicians and public opinion in the U.S. has been extensively documented.

I suggest you read two articles, one short, one long, from two sources who would appear to know of what they speak:

The first:

"The Israel Lobby"

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html

The second:

"War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser"

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23078

In fact, in this second short one, a quote suffices:

"Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel," Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.

Also, FYI, Zelikow is no ordinary "advisor" to Bush because, as Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, he was given the task of carrying off the greatest White Wash in political history, and his bio would seem to justify it:

Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, "public myths" or "public presumptions." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called "'searing' or 'molding' events [that] take on 'transcendent' importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene

Think about Zelikow, himself a Zionist, and his "creation and maintenance of public myths" and the fact that he has stated that the Iraq invasion was by the USA, FOR Israel, and it only happened because 9/11 happened, the official story about which is clearly a "public myth".

Then, if you really want to see what all this fuss is about Zionist influence of world events, here's some deep history to research. I guarantee that if you take the time to actualy research this, it will blow your mind at just how deep this Zionist conspiracy of world events actually goes.

The Controversy of Zion by DOUGLAS REED
http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/
http://www.kasjo.net/reeedcontrov.pdf

The above is a big read. If you want to start with a more condensed version, a shorter read, have a look at this:
The Myth of Tiny, Little Israel: Zionist Tentacles Everywhere
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3940.htm

I'm sure you may have noticed some of my comments where I'm pretty much saying the same thing as your blog here. Thanks for this blog.

We have to be realistic. We have neither the access or the resources to prove a Zionist conspiracy, a Pakistani ISI conspiracy, a CIA conspiracy....all of this is a waste of time IMO.

When I say waste of time, I am only referring to the immediate goal of the 9/11 Truth Movement.....

There is a place for the study of Zionism. I just don't think it helps our immediate goal of a new investigation.

A NEW INVESTIGATION INTO THE ATTACKS OF 9/11/2001

Start from the bottom (WTC 7 & Silverstein) and if the investigation takes us to a Zionist conspiracy to pull the US into a war with Islam...so be it.

We should be realistic and notice that we are just normal men and woman who lack the authority & resources to gain access to information that will show, beyond doubt, that any of these nefarious acronyms were directly responsible for the attacks of 9/11/2001.

You say:

"I do recognise Zionism as a movement or cabal that is definately involved in events of 911 and other past crimes."

How are you sure? Dancing Israelis? Silvertein's connection to Netin-yahoo? I would guess that you, like myself, are sure of nothing when it comes to 9/11/2001. Actually, I'm sure that you are un-sure. We have access to the same limited sources of information on the subject.

Well, I take that back. We are sure there was a cover-up. Beyond that we are chasing gooses.

These are mere scribblings on the internet. We are speculating about operations, plots, and conspiracies that have designed holes big enough for a boeing to fit through. The imagination fills in the blanks and we see a full picture.

As complete as the picture might seem, the reality is that there is no way for us to gauge whether our view is even remotely accurate.

I am glad you posted this blog because I was going to do it myself.

I'm interested in one thing:

A NEW INVESTIGATION INTO THE ATTACKS OF 9/11

Unless we, this web community at wtcdemolition.com, the 9/11 Truth community, the American community, and the world community join together and layout a realistic goal, devise a plan to reach that goal, and then effectively and relentlessly execute that plan...we are pissing up a rope.

We must start at the bottom and work our way up. In other words, develop a solid case. WTC 7, no plane, expert testimony on the visual demolition evidence, create a presentation in video, written, and/or audio, and execute a plan to disseminate that presentation to our representatives in local, state, and federal government.

I see no attempt here to organize any sort of plan to work towards this goal. Just look at the threads that get the most comments. They are barely even related to the demolition of the towers. These threads advise us to read volumes on the Zionist movement. Why?

Does me knowing the history of Zionism help achieve the goal of a new investigation? Hell no. Just like me knowing that the CIA once helped the ISI fund terror is meaningless at this point. These things might come in handy one day, but right now?

Unless you have the means and courage to take a flight to Karachi to interview the ex-general of the ISI...

Also, when looking at such a large conspiracy like the Zionist movement...it makes one feel virtually powerless. Power is in focus, planning, and execution. We don't have access to the information we need but we do have access to our elected officials.

We have the opportunity to collectively come up with a plan and then execute that plan. WTC 7, IMO, is the golden egg for the 9/11 Truth movement. They fucked up big time and there only hope is that the people won't be able to focus on that long enough to use it to their advantage.

That's my opinion.

if someone had objected right after 9/11 to the literally 24/7 cacophony about Arab... Muslim... Terrorists... ?

Well you don't have to imagine it, because plenty of people did object, and no one cared. No one listened except to mock them for "coddling" evildoers. I'm not saying turnabout is fair play, but given that Zionists were avid mongers of Islamophobia (and continue to be) I think we need to keep things in proper perspective... This is a tiny blog with a tiny readership--NOT the New York Times, NOT CNN, etc. etc....