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Anybody who would suggest such blatant falsehoods...
is not an honest member of the truth movement. This article by Kevn Ryan, which is nothing but a mis-direction away from Israel/Zionism towards those "real bad Arabs", is all the proof we need that Kevin Ryan is part of the controlled opposition, possibly serving as one of Cass Sunsteins's cognitive infiltrators.
Let's do some quick math on Ryan's article. I did a search on the following terms to see how many occurrences of each appeared in his piece of LIHOP CRAP:
Something's very wrong with this picture.
Anybody doing honest, objective research into the security of the WTC and who had demolition access should have discussed the fact that the key entities controlling security were Zionist owned/controlled, see Kevin Ryan Writes Another Limited Hangout Piece Regarding WTC Security, Limits Scrutiny to Bush/Bin Laden and Profile of a Pre-planted expert: Jerome Hauer.
Oh, and you might think that since Kevin Ryan at least mentioned "Kroll" - a Zionist owned and controlled security company who was given major responsibility to manage security of the WTC - that he at least attempted to be objective, right? Well, you would be mistaken. In fact, you are probably going to have a really hard time believing what I'm going to say: Not only did Kevin fail to mention the role that Kroll played in having key control over security at the WTC, he actually attempted to link Kroll to Saudi Arabian interests, instead of the obvious Zionist/Israeli links!. Now, that is a level of ludicrous nonsense that would seem to be pretty hard to imagine for someone to attempt to pull off and still expect to maintain some credibility. How does he attempt to twist reality into a knot like this? Check it out:
Yes. That is the only mention of Kroll in the entire article. So, there you have it. In Kevin's LIHOP world of absurdity and bizarre logic, the mere fact that a board member was the US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia 6 years prior to 9/11...that means that Kroll is linked to Saudi Interests? But let's not even talk about Kroll Director Jerome Hauer and his role as a national security advisor and various other functions for the Bush Administration and the Giuliani Administration, nor all of his ties to Israel and other key Zionists involved with the WTC security and Mossad, etc. Nor should we mention Kroll's Zionist owners Jeremy and Jules Kroll and their interesting connections. Nope. Not at all. Nothing to see here, folks! Instead, let's meander down another wild goose chase and argue that because Kroll, like so many other similar companies, had contracts to do work in other countries, including Saudi Arabia, that that means that Kroll is linked to or controlled by Saudi interests, right Kevin? And you really think that is a logical and objective way to research and analyze what interests really controlled and influenced WTC security?
Is Kevin an Islamophobe or anti-Arab bigot that makes him blind to anything that does not point to evil Arabs everywhere? Or is there some other reason why Kevin must turn reality on it's head in such a way? Here is the rest of the so called "evidence" he attempts to use for his conclusion that all roads lead to Saudi Arabia:
How pathetic. That's the kind of crap you are attempting to use as "evidence" that all roads lead to Saudi Arabia? Sorry, Kevin, I'm not buying your LIHOP bridge to nowhere and I think you should resign from the truth movement for attempting to foist such shameful disinformation and anti-Arab propaganda onto the truth movement. Your attempt to protect Israel and Zionism for its role in 9/11 while participating in the dishonest framing of Arabs/Muslims that has served as a crucial pretext for genocidal was that have killed millions of innocents, is a disgrace to all who work for truth and justice in the world. Same on you!
idolatrous infidel!
Isn't Kevin Ryan supposedly a Buddhist?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1466974.cms
ISLAMABAD: The giant Buddha statues in Bamiyan in Afghanistan were destroyed on the orders of Al Qaeda supremo Osama Bin Laden, both as an act of provocation and as a "rehearsal" for 9/11, a Swiss filmmaker has said.
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Asked what further information he could provide regarding the claim made in his documentary that the giant Buddhas were ultimately demolished by Saudi and Pakistani engineers, he replied that this was what a local Afghan, who appears in the movie, had said...
who knows
what or who "kevin ryan" really is
and a heartfelt thanks to Keenan for this expository post!!!!
and, another player in Kroll was AIG's Maurice Greenberg, correct?
yep, Maurice Greenberg, another key person from
Kroll, in fact a partner and co-owner of Kroll, who has some interesting connections and links to Zionism and Mossad and would have been much, much more important to mention than the single Board of Directors member who Kevin laughably attempted to link to Saudi Arabia. It's just hilariously obvious what Kevin Ryan is doing at this point. I don't think Kevin's agenda could possibly be more transparent if he tried.
Agreed. He knows about this
Agreed. He knows about this thread, and the ones before it and he has yet to answer. This information is not going away though. Good stuff Keenan.
i noticed on his FB
that he is posting heavily on MSM sites regarding the WTC 7, pushing for reinvestigation. I also noticed Mr. Gold supporting his Saudi BS. It's sad. I can't for the life of me figure Kevin out...like you said, one of Sunstein's boys or perhaps he's been threatened and coerced into this...it's so obviously misguiding and as you say laughable, ignoring the elephant...I mean, could this possibly be his way of getting more Jews to be open to reading and digging further than they have in a nonthreatening way? eh, it's just not fair still to Muslim Arabs.
board members...
means squat, unless it's shown otherwise. rich people including former political appointees (i.e. not career diplomats) sit on many boards and usually aren't involved in the operations of the companies involved.
"Kroll Associates board member Raymond Mabus was the US Ambassador to Saudi Arabia"
In part 2, Kevin Ryan does talk more about Kroll, but
incredibly, he manages to do it without mentioning any links with Israel, Mossad, Zionists, of course.
In his second of 4 parts: Demolition Access To The WTC Towers: Part Two - Security
He talks quite a bit about Kroll. But again, he manages to miss (or is it pretend not to see) the huge elephant in the room - the one common denominator among all key owners and controllers of Kroll - while only finding connections to Saudi Arabia and the Bushes, no matter how weak and tenuous.
There's even a section called Kroll leaders and history. Aha! now we're getting somewhere, right? Wrong. Incredibly, he manages to completely ignore that huge elephant again.
He even mentions the Port Authority of NY, NJ, and also seems to find every other connection that does not involve that elephant again. PANYNJ Chairman Eisenberg is even mentioned. But again, a strange omission of the thing that connects Eisenberg and all the other key people at Kroll and Silverstein Properties controlling security at the WTC.
Even Larry Silverstein is mentioned, and yet again, a strange omission of that elephant.
For his conclusion in examining the security relationships at the WTC, he manages to find the following commonalities:
Wow, Kevin. Are these really the only entities that benefited from 9/11 that you are aware of? Nothing about one of the biggest beneficiaries of all - Israel? And, you were able to find a "striking similarity" in how a lot of these entities "did major work for the Saudi Arabian government", but you don't find it striking that the key ownere/controllers of the security companies and agencies were all linked to Israel, Zionists, and Mossad? Really Kevin? You don't find that interesting at all? You don't find it interesting that the key entities controlling the security at the WTC, the airports, and key agencies in the Bush Administration, neocons with dual Israeli citizenship, were all connected to Israel, Mossad, Zionism? I find it interesting and striking that you apparently don't find any of this interesting and striking...I call it willful ignorance.
Pray tell, Kevin, how does the fact that a company "did major work for" Saudi Arabia in any way implicate Saudi Arabia in having demolition access to the WTC towers? How is that "relationship" in any way comparable with the level of control or influence of those who actually own and control that company, Kevin? I think you need to go back to school and learn basic logic, because your logic is absurd, to say the least.
response?
Have you asked Ryan about this stuff in an email? The best I can find in terms of a response is Bursill quoting Ryan here, in reply to peaceful warrior's comment that 'some people on Blogger downplay the Israeli angle'
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-19/911-truth-fight-stage-dont-get-hit...
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Kevin Ryan commenting on an interview I did with him...
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-05-17/visibility911-welcomes-kevin-ryan-...
Kevin Ryan wrote:
What seems to have triggered this particular group of chat room bozos is their pre-determined conclusion that Israel orchestrated 9/11. But like I said in the interview, the evidence for that has not been presented.
Netanyahu and the Likuds are genicidal creeps, no doubt. As for Zionists, I'm sure there are things for me to learn about that political phenomenon. But Unger and others have reported that some of the leading neocons (Kristol, etc) were originally Trotskyists, and I'm not sure what this miltaristic communist philosophy might have to do with Zionism. It is, however, interesting that these neocons were communists whose intellectual offspring became leaders of the US Republican party. That is, they are people for whom politics and ideology are easily interchanged but for whom militarism is constant. Other neocons and top suspects are clearly anti-semitic (like the Bush family).
I've run across some interesting Israelis, and I'm learning more about others through Robert Parry and a book I just got by Samuel Segev. One 9/11 connection to Israel was Lev Zetlin, who founded LZA Thornton-Tomasetti, the company that NYC hired to make decisions (like recycling the steel) at GZ. Zetlin was once the head of the Israeli Air Force, many years before the WTC buildings were built. He came to NYC to be an engineer and started this company to investigate engineering failures. If I write anything about him, Bollyn will launch another article pinning the whole thing on Zetlin (who died in 1992), much like he did with Frank Lampl when I mentioned his being the founder of Bovis Lend Lease.
Maybe it's not popular but I'm convinced, as I said in the interview, that 9/11 was an operation conducted by a consortium of international criminal organizations (Moyers' secret government, various mafia groups, corporate cartels, etc) that does not recognize nations let alone fight for them. I'm reaching this conclusion through learning about building and technology access, and historic events like the October (and April) suprises, Iran/Contra, the raping of Central and South America, the Savings & Loan scandal, the assassination of many national leaders (including Rabin), The Opium Wars, BCCI and BNL, and many more things.
As I told John, I think that many powerful groups have an interest in 9/11 truth, and how it plays out.
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Kevin ain't no fool and neither am I, saying Israel did 9/11 is as silly as saying US Government did it.
It's a cabal of criminals not whole governments or countries....elements of Governments yes.
Regards John
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I haven't figured out which 'particular group' Ryan is referring to yet.
holier than thou
Sorry this is off topic.. in the interview Ryan says:
"First of all, the Muslims didn't do it, the Jews didn't do it, the Christians didn't do it.."
which seems reasonable enough. Obviously not *all* the Christians were involved. But then he says
"..and there's one reason I know that - by definition Muslims don't kill innocents, Jews don't lie, you know, and Christians don't kill"
i.e. *no* members of any Abrahamic religion were involved. I've NOTICED Jon Gold ARGUES the SAME thing.
I wonder if Ryan believes that Muslims kill those who aren't 'innocent', but Christians don't? Or that Jews kill, whereas Christians merely lie?
Whatever, this kind of 'reasoning' seems ridiculous to me.
What did Saudi actually gain
What did Saudi actually gain by executing the most cynical crime against (albeit pseudo) democracy ever?
-They wanted to start wars against multiple Muslim countries?
They owned the asbestos riddled tower complex or the asbestos abatement problem, and were faced with millions in costs to dismantle it brick by brick in the very near future?
They wanted to promote the meme of islamofascism worldwide?
They wanted to boost their (non existent) arms exports?
Or something else I have forgotten about how Saudi benefited from 911? (Please elaborate!)
Instead of asking "why don't we email Kevin about our reservations ?"
Why don't YOU ask Kevin Ryan to reply to the SPECIFIC criticism that has been leveled at his thesis here (That he has left out other more likely suspects)? Instead of using straw men -
("I don't like Zionism too" therefore your criticism is wrong you 'bozos').
Then post that reply here, instead of disseminating Kevin's non specific straw man waffled deflection across multiple sites.
I am afraid right now I need Kevin Ryan to show me why I should find him credible.
I don't need to contact him to ask him why he thinks we're bozos, I'll just move on .
The point is not saying "Israel did it" it is saying why is it, that any evidence, suggestion, or argument that Zionism was involved, is treated as deplorable & unfounded without allowing such discussion (& People banned from 911Blogger for doing so), when weaker evidence that Saudi did it or Arabs did it is heavily promoted?.
ESPECIALLY when the same people who brought about the censoring of possible Zionist involvement, protected and backed up Jon Gold who unilaterally decided that they had to "change the focus of the 911 truth movement away from CD" (Which is the most credible and convincing evidence to most people) towards weaker evidence promoting Muslim involvement, and subsequently,anyone who regularly contradicted him got banned from 911 blogger!
elaboration
> Please elaborate!
Me? To be honest I haven't looked into the 'who' much, but your comments sound fair enough to me.
> Instead of asking "why don't we email Kevin about our reservations ?"..
I was only wondering if he had already been contacted. I've sent him an email now directing him to this thread, and asking if I can post his response.
> .. CD, which is the most credible and convincing evidence to most people ..
Yes, I appreciate you emphasizing CD and actually agree with most everything you post. Indeed, I was the first and most vocal person to agree with you when you posted threads on Blogger about this. As it happens the only time I've really disagreed with you was when you said "societal or universal truths are non existent" when you first got an account here. So I was amused to read you say how considering 911 has now made you 'post-postmodern', meaning you believe in an objective reality(?) Nice!
> anyone who regularly contradicted him got banned from 911 blogger!
The first time I was banned from Blogger was around the time I explained to Jon Gold that WTCD wasn't a psyop, but rather some people with a sense of humour (I should have added common sense) who DIDN'T LIKE HIM. The second and last time was for simply posting a link to WTCD. Actually pointing out that it was Gold, who still had an account, and not myself that was causing trouble got my account reinstated the first time (it probably helped that Gold was ranting 'anti-semite' at someone, as usual, the same day I spoke to the moderator).
Somehow Gold's comments on Blogger seem even more annoying recently. Every time he pops up he's swearing, calling people idiots, morons etc.. but he never gets banned, even when he requests it! And who on earth requests to be banned anyway, can't he stop himself posting or something?!? Hopefully he'll implode soon, like the unpleasantly unhinged Col. Sparks.
Sorry Jameson, my remarks
Sorry Jameson, my remarks were aimed at Kevin Ryan and John Bursill rather than you, but I realize they did not come out that way (Late night).
If we ever manage to evict the perpetrators and dismantle their propaganda networks, learning lessons for the future, then I reserve the right to become post post postmodernist
(postmodernist again) because I believe it is the evolutionary design of the brain for individuals to compete for their 'truth' against others, and society merely rides the crest of that competition in public opinion for a while (in a system without universal propaganda) but until then, I will concede there is at least some universal truth I know, namely CD and the laws of physics.
As for Jon Gold, his modus
As for Jon Gold, his modus operandi has always been to put people off 911 truth, either by promoting Muslim involvement, (so people look the other way under a fog of war logic), or else by being so arrogant and obnoxious whilst posing as a truther that he intimidates and puts off other truthers. If they are not put off then they are eventually censored (At 911Blogger).
I have noticed that the signature link to Jon Gold's big list of lihop crap "Facts" on every page of every thread has now gone? that at least is a small victory against loose nuke's refusal to accept that the publication of hundreds of those links across Blogger was endorsing a unilateral and unrepresentative prioritization of evidence for the site.
BTW Doesn't Family Guy have anything to say about Cleveland?
"I told you Cleveland ,saying '911 is an inside job' is damaging to the movement! You should have said 'Muslims were involved in 911 and the only thing that matters is the families!'"
CADS
Family Guy is probably just busy promoting the Fox News lihop psyop of his good friend Anthony 'American Dad' Shaffer (Able Danger and now 'External Communications Director' of the Center for Advanced Defense Studies).
Cleveland Brown Declares that 9/11 was an inside job!!!
e.g.
It certainly is good that Gold can no longer abuse the sig functionality, and also that he hasn't been around so much.
But in terms of obnoxiousness the rest of the faction are just as bad. I just noticed that after a couple of days defending Cockburn, whitewashing the coverup, promoting the fake alternative press, attacking DRG/MIHOP and libeling Adam Syed (and more probably), we get this from Snowcrash in response to the new 'green' Bin Laden:
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Here's my advice to the world population:
Go green, or die off like the insignificant parasites you are in the face of mother nature and planet earth.
<..end times death rant continues..>
..Bye bye, idiots.
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The sig functionality was eliminated on blah-ger
for everyone, it appears. Was there any announcement by the site owners about why they did that?
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On April 20th the site went offline, and nobody had a signature after that. Also all comment scores were reset to zero, which is strange because I can still see the way I voted on those old comments. Somehow server load was blamed, and it was relocated the next day. However the scores/sigs remain broken/disabled with no further explanation given, as usual ... at least that I'm aware of.
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They don't get any shadier than Erik Larson and Justin Keogh...
is that when they updated their Drupal?
I noticed the disappeared vote totals on archived posts when they went for their Drupal upgrade. WTCD still uses the version of Drupal that 911B upgraded from--I've avoided it because I think this version is perfectly functional and upgrading can be a big pain in the ass (though I suspect the disappeared vote totals were not an innocent glitch!)
I don't know anything about Justin but Larson or Larsen or whatever his name is, Loose Nuke etc. is most definitely a fake truther imo.
Where's my stool
LeftWright mentioned an upgrade on 11th March, I guess that included Drupal but I don't know if it was related.
Chasing version numbers for no reason is a waste of time, once you've found a good vintage. I noticed no improvements to Blogger - it was slower and there was that 'bug' that hid comments on a separate page.
I'm afraid I can't trust Justin Keogh because of the way he runs Blogger, but I generally find his few comments on the site reasonable, and I had a very brief email exchange with him where he seemed conscientious (regarding a mailing list about the WTC7 simulation). I know he's been archiving a lot of the data at his own site, but he hasn't publicized that much.
SnowCrash seems to have taken over Larsen's role recently. I never thought I'd say it but .. bring back Larsen!
wow, this is the 3000th thread
We've got 3000 threads now on this blog? Holy crap
I don't think so...
That would be a little less than ten threads a day for each day the site has really been being actively used? Well, maybe including things like entries on the List o' Shame...