Pentagon Attack Disinformation Op Plans to Disrupt Upcoming CIT Events

Keenan's picture

Arabesque, Julian, Victoria, et al., having failed in their smear campaign to destroy the credibility of CIT in the eyes of the mainstream truth movement, are now planing a desperate strategy to show up at upcoming 9/11 Truth events to disrupt and create controversy where CIT will be presenting, including the upcoming We Demand Transparency Conference in NYC this September 11-13.

http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31960#31960

Edit: Here is an example from the above thread of what is being proposed:
"A half-page leaflet with Barrett on one side and CIT on the other would do it."
Another idea is to, "walk out on them, badmouthing their bullshit the whole way."

This behavior is reminiscent of the disruption of David Ray Griffin's March 30, 2006 lecture to a sell-out crowd of over 800 people at Grand Lake Theater in Oakland, California. I attended that event and personally witnessed Jim Hoffman's Truth Police Posse show up, all wearing pre-printed black tea-shirts directing people to go to jim Hoffman's web sites (including the ones where Hoffman smears anybody who questions the OCT of the Pentagon Attack), and positioning themselves strategically to hand every single attendee who was trying to get into the theater a leaflet that called attention to dangerous 'disinfo' regarding -- what else? -- theories that contradict the OCT of a Boeing passenger jet having crashed into the Pentagon. While not mentioning David Griffin by name, the leaflet insinuated that David Griffin and anybody else who did not follow lock-step in supporting the OCT of the Pentagon Attack are involved with peddling a Hoax that is damaging the credibility of the movement. Yep, this is how these so-called "leaders" treat other honest, hardworking 9/11 activists/researchers in the movement, having the audacity to accuse their detractors of being "divisive" in a perfect display of the pot calling the kettle black.

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Keenan's picture

NY911Truth 2006 email re disruptive behavior by Julian, et al.

I thought this was a very interesting statement regarding controversy with some of our favorite fake truthers back in 2006 with the NY911Truth organization. It is an email from Luke Rudkowski of NY911Truth calling out Nick Levis, John Albanese, Max and Julian for disruptive behavior

http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/1590?replies=10#post-8580

As an FYI, here is a group statement giving the position of a majority of participants in the work of NY911Truth in response to your public attack against Les Jamieson and effectively, all of NY911Truth.

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

We, the undersigned, are responding to a scurrilous email from Nick Levis, John Albanese, Max and Julian. We want to make it clear that they have no standing or authority to issue an ultimatum demanding that Les Jamieson remove himself from the NY911Truth organization.

Their most heinous falsehood was that Les Jamieson participated in the distribution of hate literature.

To address the first of these specious accusations, it is important to note that these four people had stopped actively participating in planning meetings or outreach actions of the organization at the end of 2005. Nick even told Les and another party that he had resigned. In spite of this declaration, Nick continued to exert influence on scheduling of weekly film events without objection from Les or any other members, because of the spirit of inclusion the group tried to maintain even though Nick, in particular, was often abrasive, divisive and negative in his approach to the group's activities. We feel that Nick’s rigid position over research,and contentious manner had alienated members rather than served them. We work hard to verify our information and shouldn’t have been dismissed and disrespected as if our research is invalid, which has been the rule rather than the exception with Nick and the others.

Eventually Nick became so controlling of the organization's schedule, without collaborating with anyone from NY911Truth. He even defied the request of Frank Morales, our host at the church, that we not print any schedules without consulting with him first. Nick printed a schedule containing dates from June all the way into September, completely of his own design. At the end of the Ralph Schoenman event on Apr. 23rd, Nick entered the room and went to the front table where Ralph stood to command attention with this schedule while the event was in process was considered a brazen intrusion by all of us there. This schedule mostly promoted his own web site, Summeroftruth.org. Also, a media panel event which Les was planning was suddenly omitted. It was clear that all of this was to “hijack” the 9/11 Info Resource Series, which Nick even renamed, without consulting anyone. Our position is why should NY911truth.org, which is a recognized and highly active organization, lose the venue and audience it has developed over many months of work just because one person will not work within the group? Now the overwhelming majority of our membership feels that this situation is unfair and unworkable. When Nick deceptively arranged to take the full collection the evening Mike Berger debuted his film, another layer of mistrust was the result. We no longer want his participatation in our event organizing.

But it is in their misleading, manipulative handling of an issue of Criminal Politics Magazine, which Les included on the book table with other 9/11 materials on a busy night at St. Marks Church because it featured David Ray Griffin on the cover and a supportive article inside, as well as other articles a 9/11 audience would find of interest. Regarding the articles that were used to create a controversy and falsely accuse Les of being anti-Semitic, nobody else had complained and all in all, the magazine was viewed by others in the group as an anti-conspiracy, anti-new world order publication.

So unfounded is the accusation, it's almost laughable. But the damage this did to Les personally is immeasurable, as well as the equally devastating harm it caused all 9/11 Truth Seekers. Les has been instrumental in building the movement here in NYC which attracted some of the most broad, impressive journalistic coverage we’ve been fortunate enough to receive. And it is the absence of coverage within the media that generates the existence of movements such as ours - to inform a public that has been kept totally in the dark about the facts of 9/11. The idea that any journalist, such as the writer covering us in the Village Voice, might have been responsible for that issue of the paper's other editorial content or voluminous sexually oriented classified and display ads could certainly discourage any other writer covering our issues.

For selfish reasons Nick, Max, Julian and John have temporarily derailed our energetic truth seeking engine, and it is obvious their goal was to put us out of business altogether, possibly so they could control and limit important information as we feel they have tried to do in the past. Now that Nick has publicly broadcast a statement over this, which is potentially damaging to the movement as a whole, we must question his real intentions. Why would he do something which should have been resolved through personal interaction? By all appearances, there is an agenda to undermine the organization by undermining the person who has worked and sacrificed tirelessly on its behalf and has been at the forefront of its progress. The night of Apr. 23rd when the magazine was on the merchandise table, Julian was seen with several in his hand and there was evidence he was stirring up controversy right there. The next morning is when St. Marks Church was contacted and complaints were registered. By all indications, this was all calculated.

It is widely known that Les would never deliberately do what Nick has charged him of doing, distributing hate literature. We also do not appreciate Julian and Max coming to our East Coast 9/11 Truth Summit a week later to stand outside and stir up controversy with our guests. We don’t appreciate Max yelling profanity in public as he did at the premier of UA93. This is the style of agitators and infiltrators. Nick and the others have persistently been driving a political wedge between our communal efforts, and we can afford it no longer.

It has been over four years since a vicious attack was perpetrated upon our country, and we have not received the proper answers as to how this took place. As time wastes away, year after year, without answers to these obvious, lurking questions, we cannot have people such as these four attempting to sabotage our efforts, in a project so worthy and so necessary to the peace of mind of the victims' families and our society at large. We will move forward and want all to know that Les Jamieson's devotion to the cause and leadership is highly valued and supported by the overwhelming majority as you'll see below.

Signed,

Cathie Bell Sherry Bender Charlie Betancourt Bruce Brown Carol Brown Joe Carranza Mark Cohen Ron Crenshaw Judy Cunningham Dave Davis Rory Demis Zena Devres Kina Ellis Dan Falcone Tom Foti Joe Friendly Jack Gordon JR Guerra Lu Ann Horstman Michael Laden Bob Lamming Paul Landis Rodney Lewis Michelle Maldeau Harvey Newman Reina O'Casio Mildred Ortega Carl Person Christiane Pfistor Colleen Primrose Alan Rohde Arlene Rubin Michael Rubin Luke Rudkowski Jason Savas Robert Soret Craig Stetson Karen Terranova Hugo Zapata more to come....

casseia's picture

Similarly, in 2007 when DRG appeared in Portland

Mark Robinowitz came out of the audience to noisily complain to organizers (including me) about the content of DRG's presentation as it was happening. Another organizer eventually got him to step into the hall where his rant would not disturb others (and listened to him talk about war games for a while.) DRG had requested that audience members write questions on index cards, which I was responsible for collecting and selecting from, and I encouraged him to write a question, which he didn't want to do.

Recently, I've seen a few people from that crowd specifically point to Robinowitz's oilempire site, headquarters of the attempt to preserve the Islamophobic thread of the 9/11 narrative at all costs, as THE reason they changed their thinking about a Boeing at the Pentagon from skepticism to true belief.

Keenan's picture

Yep, it's obvious they are all operating from the same playbook

Interesting how all those web sites sprung up after Jim Hoffman's targeting the Pentagon Boeing crash skeptics, including oilempire.us (disinfo agent Mark Robinowitz), whatreallyhappened (disinfo agent Mike Rivero), ratical.org (disinfo agent John Judge), all of which use the same debunker-style false arguments ("you'll upset the family members by questioning the Pentagon crash", "Jim Hoffman says that those are pieces from a Boeing 757 so it must be true", etc.).

Even more interesting is how those most vocally trying to smear Pentagon Boeing crash skeptics are often the same ones who loudly try to smear those who are skeptical of the islamo-fascist hijacker myth. It's like, almost as if they are all operating from the same playbook...

Keenan's picture

"All you need to know about is the War Games"

Kind of like, "all you need to know about is that NOTHING should have hit the Pentagon". Yea, right, all of our attention should be focused on the War Games and Norad's "failure" to respond to the "hijackings" and anything else is a "distraction". This was the precise reasoning used recently on TrueFaction as to why Pilots For 9/11 Truth doesn't do any useful or legitimate research for the movement, and therefore is discredited:

http://www.truthaction.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31745#31745


Rancho Truth
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:32 am Post subject:
siddhartha wrote:
c) The whole point of the organization and all their materials is to attempt to prove that NO PLANE hit the Pentagon

The vast majority of "research" and info on the site is aimed at demonstrating that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon.

And there's NO info on the failure of the FAA, NORAD and DCANG to respond to the crisis (that I saw, last time i looked, a few months ago). Seems like an org called "pilots for 9/11 truth" would know something about SOP, be concerned about the unprecedented collapse of it, repeatedly, on 9/11, and call attention to it.

Too late for them to start now- their failure to do so over these past years has shot their credibility as much as their near-total focus on the divisive "no 757 hit the Pentagon" distraction.
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Actually, that is a false statement that "there's NO info on the failure of the FAA, NORAD and DCANG". But, P4T obviously decided that the "NORAD failure" is not where the meat of the conspiracy is and so does not focus its efforts on it they way some fake truthers would like them to.

gretavo's picture

what a mess

the best thing anyone can do at this point is go with a video camera and make sure to record and post any examples of disruptive behavior by anyone.

Keenan's picture

more hilarious irony from Victoria

There's never a shortage of ironic statements spewing from the orifice of Operation Victoria and she seems to be pumping them out faster than ever lately. Here are the latest gems for your amusement:

"It's fascinating to me that people want to find truth but apparently don't care about actual evidence."

"...the more broad problem of disruptors who have an agenda which is opposite the majority of the activists and researchers."

The entertainment value these fake truthers provide is almost worth the frustration with having to continuously confront their endless BS.