Jon Gold admits Israel is a suspect for 9-11
You gotta read this!
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19694
them limited hangout types are in desperate fall back positions.
JG: "Israel...Has earned the title of suspect for the crimes of 9/11, to a lesser extent than elements within the U.S. Government, but have earned it nevertheless. This story is relevant in that it shows just what people in Israel's Government are capable of. It's like showing a story having to do with some of the atrocities we take part in... to show people just what elements within our Government are capable of..."
Now, if he would just take away "to a lesser extent than" and replace it with "co-conspirators of" I would rate it an excellent post.
I still wonder how he can not believe in controlled demolition of WTC and still blame Arab terrorists, but it took him this long to see the light on Israeli involvement, maybe he's just slow.
Nah, I don't buy it. JG is
Nah, I don't buy it. JG is still a shill. The reason why he won't say he believes in controlled demolition*, is because the only people with access to the buildings, WTC7 in particular, would implicate the US Government who had numerous offices in there and WTC lease holder Larry Silverstein who had building security under him. Combine that with the dancing Mossad who had prior knowledge of the attacks and that would make the Israeli Government elements as full partners in crime and primary suspects in this mass murder.
JG has to play stupid that the buildings were not destroyed by controlled demolition, otherwise he would contradict his insistence that Arab terrorists were mainly responsible and that the US/Israel gov't were just incompetent fools like him. He does not care about the US Government, he would throw them under the bus if he could, but the US Gov't is tied to Israel due to those foolish dancing Mossad** agents who showed that the Israeli Gov't was in deep on it as well.
(* for you JG, simple highschool physics. I know you wont admit to believing it, but at least its more obvious to others that you are still a disinfo agent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC44L0-2zL8&t=vjVQa1PpcFOB65AImtV5dZ42sSY... )
**Dancing Mossad claimed they were ordered to document the destruction of WTC, which was leased by Larry Silverstein, friend of top Israeli officials, and they didn't warn him that his buildings would be attacked. Are the Mossad stupid or do they just think we are ALL stupid.
even JG can see the writing on the wall...
I'd like to think that the truth movement has outgrown any one faction's ability to control it (i.e. the LIHOP faction led by people like John Judge, Michael Ruppert, Sander Hicks, etc.) Enough honest people have become truthers that the ratio of real truthers to fakers should ensure the kind of vigorous debate needed to follow every significant lead.
The way the fake truth movement operated just a few years ago was a) to defend the cause deliberately with faulty arguments so as to keep interest in the movement limited to kooky types who no one would take seriously and b) to manufacture consensus around LIHOP thus preserving the Islamofascist myth should their lame efforts succeed or should a real truth movement arise around them (which is what happened!) That's why you had the blatant disinfo like Nico Haupt and the no-planes at the towers brigade squaring off like (fake) pro-wrestlers in staged confrontations designed to lead the credulous into siding with the subtle disinfo LIHOPpers (lie-hoppers?)
The evolution of the movement can be seen to be occurring in stages where each time it looks like one part of the truth is becoming mainstream (like controlled demolition, say) a new crop of fake truthers has to emerge to remain as effective gatekeepers. When LIHOP became untenable for anyone wanting to be taken seriously, LIHOP was mostly abandoned, or at least those pushing it had to admit that the WTC was blown up, which they can't pretend was directly related to the alleged hijackings.
Since a hypothetical case of Israeli agency in the attacks would logically be the most damaging and therefore closely guarded truth it stands to reason that the fake truthers would be willing to concede just about anything before conceding that point. And yet! Thanks to the ravenous and unyielding nature of the crazies in the world of Zionism the tide has begun to turn dramatically against Israeli hardliners such that the public may well be ready to face facts. This presents quite the quandary for the fake truth movement, which (if it knows what's good for it) will effectively retreat and either "live to fight another day" or if they actually have a moral epiphany of some kind maybe even start working towards a real peace through truth and understanding instead of working to shield whoever their paymasters may be from accountability over their involvement.
Of course, 9/11 is not the end all be all of truth and one could argue that there are other examples of historical falsification that make 9/11 pale by comparison so that the 9/11 fraud itself could be sacrificed in the interest of preserving other more valued mythologies. As a real truth movement it is imperative that we keep a running record of what people have tried to peddle in the past so that we can show future truthseekers who the real truthers were and who was involved in the process of gatekeeping described above. The bottom line is that dishonesty or even gross incompetence should be rewarded with ignominy, and rarely if ever forgiven.
NEVER FORGET!!
New England LIHOP Simposium Announces Craptacular Lineup!
I still wonder who is moving
I still wonder who is moving behind the actors that we are aware of. Who are they, what are their goals, what have they done and are doing now. I hope the truth movements will get us that far.
another classic fake truthing flash in the pan...
"But the people on the WTCD site are a particularly repulsively dogmatic bunch. They do not represent the 9/11 Truth movement as a whole. They too have been banned from the Truth Action forum, as you may or may not have noticed. (If I recall correctly, they were banned for calling just about everyone who disagreed with them “shills.â€) And not everyone in the 9/11 Truth movement believes in the WTC demolition hypothesis. Some well-known leading figures, such as Jon Gold, don’t advocate the WTC demolition hypothesis at all."
-"Diane the New York Activist"
http://activistnyc.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/to-patrick-s-mcnally-where-d...
Is she still showing up
Is she still showing up anywhere? It would be harder to project a character who is allegedly a scientist of sorts and totally fail to grasp the simple physics that explain how WTC 7 could not have been anything but a controlled demolition. She tried to maintain that narrative for a while and I don't know if it was effective in swaying any truthers to her "demolition skeptic" side.
Jon and the LIHOP crew have lost
I just realized that LIHOP and the demolition deniers have totally lost after NIST admitted that WTC-7 fell at free fall speeds for 2 seconds. I think the movement in general is not making enough fuss of it (at least from my distant POV). Just to inform the LIHOPER disinfo agents who imagine they still have a leg to stand on, they have failed.
With NIST itself saying that wtc 7 fell at free fall speeds for 2 seconds (equivalent to 8 stories), the only logical inference is that the underlying structure was compromised simultaneously. Only controlled demolition could do that.
Anyone still clinging to the story that there were no demolition charges to take down the buildings will now have to deny Newtonian physics too to explain the NIST acknowledged collapse at free fall speed.
(props to David Chandler and AE9-11truth for making NIST acknowledge the free fall speed)
but look! they keep going and going...
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19520#comment-205445
Classic Gold!
"Jon Gold" is 100% Sure That American Airlines Flight 77 Hit the Pentagon
Flight 77...
Hit the Pentagon. I am 100% sure of that, and have been since I started in this movement. Eyewitness accounts, debris matching the plane, Norman Mineta's testimony, etc... all tell me that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. I don't need to argue that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon because it doesn't help me at all, nor does it seem accurate.
Do these people deserve to know how and why their loved ones were murdered? Do we deserve to know how and why 9/11 happened?
More here:
The LIHOP Deception - Did Bush and Co. "Let It Happen On Purpose?"
he would fit right in at oilempire.us
http://www.oilempire.us/griffin.html
Nearly three years ago, oilempire.us co-sponsored the second public presentation that David Griffin made on 9/11 complicity issues. It is very disappointing to see him embrace Holocaust deniers and other liars promoting "no planes." Meanwhile, the media attack on the 9/11 truth movement focuses only on the "no plane" hoaxes and demolition theories -- not the well documented evidence of suppressed warnings and military wargames on 9/11 simulating actual events. It would be nice to see Mr. Griffin learn from these mistakes, since promoting a mix of real and false claims makes it difficult for most people to differentiate the good from the bad.
http://www.oilempire.us/demolition.html
demolition theories NOT needed to prove complicity once the fact that 9/11 was allowed to happen was established (which was documented within a few weeks of the events), everything beyond that is merely detail.
the position of oilempire.us is that the towers were intentionally demolished by the Bush administration, but the method of destruction was allowing (and possibly steering) Flight 11 and Flight 175 to crash into the buildings. The sober and fantastical claims for explosives, thermite, and even exotic unconventional weapons are not supported by peer reviewed, independently verifiable investigations and are an enormous distraction from solid evidence. The core of the case for complicity has nothing to do with the collapses.
http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html
"no plane" hoaxes discredit 9/11 "truth" and distract from evidence of complicity
"No plane at the Pentagon" has been the most popular hoax, and has been promoted the longest (since a few weeks after 9/11).
The eyewitness testimony and the physical evidence disproves the "Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon" claims. Hundreds of people saw the plane from numerous vantage points. Photos of the impact zone show how the plane struck the first and second floors of the building. There are photos of plane debris in the wreckage.
Some websites try to make the issue of official complicity dependent on the "no plane" myth (some state there was complicity, others oppose the idea), but this is a red herring tactic. It is a big clue that the media efforts to discredit 9/11 skeptics focus on this claim (the absence of Flight 77) while ignoring evidence proven beyond reasonable doubt. Some probable disinformation efforts promoting hoaxes allegedly proving complicity focus on "no plane" and ignore other claims that actually have solid evidence (why the trillion dollar Air Force did not defend its headquarters).
None of the "no Boeing" theorists have explained why the perpetrators would have risked certain exposure by a bystander capturing video of something that wasn't a Boeing 757. Video footage from nearby surveillance cameras was immediately seized by the FBI. Workers at a nearby hotel did get to see their film (prior to its impoundment) and did not report seeing anything other than a plane hitting the Pentagon. Keeping the film footage secret allows extreme speculation to flourish, which serves the interests of the plotters.
A growing number of 9/11 skeptics have realized the "no 757" story was spread to discredit / distract us. It's a tempting theory in some ways, but if you trace the story back, there's no reality to it. Photoshopped images, claims by anonymous people on the web, a blatant disregard of all of the evidence -- these and more mental gymnastics are necessary to believe "no 757."
Never Forget
Are people like Jon Gold and Sander Hicks just dumb? I find it hard to believe that Sander Hicks really believes in his story about "Dr. Graham" and the scary hijacker-sounding names on boxes. It's so beyond ridiculous. And this guy gets invited to some symposium to talk about it? Yea right!
He gets high-fives and fisters and to me the topic is so beyond stupid compared to the obvious demolitions of the wtc complex.
And woopsy doo...they just happen to have been against focussing on the 'demolitions' at the same time they were pimping the Pakaistani Goose Chase and Dr. Graham and the boxes with bad names. Sander Hicks even felt the need to express his non-support for demolition investigation on the 5th Anniversary of 9/11/2001 attacks! Only now they have to constantly tell others they in fact do think demolitions are sorta relevant.
Everyone, start a blog or a site on there own that is separate from WtcDemolition.com. The more the Real Truth Movement can be labeled as 'the wtcdemolition crowd' or any other non-existent club the easier it is to distract people from the Real Truth.
Adding content is so easy and free. There is no excuse. Express Real Truth as you see it. It seems to almost make more sense for everyone to have their own blog and use Friend Connect to communicate.
I second the motion!
We can't afford for the real truth to be branded as the work of "a little clique of obnoxious malcontents". Why not copy a page out of the fake truthers' book? Last year on the 7th anniversary of the attacks, fake truther extraordinaire Arabesque posted the following series:
A 9/11/2008 Resolution: Start Your Own 9/11 Blog!
Especially relevant is Part 2 because it has to do with burying places like WTCD in search results by creating an incestuous network of fake truth blogs.
I can't stress strongly enough the importance of periodically examining one's activism with an eye to growth and evolution. A movement made up of individuals who never venture outside their comfort zones is a movement that will stagnate. If on the other hand we encourage each other to try new approaches, go places (physically and figuratively) that we haven't gone before, and be as dynamic as possible in our efforts we will, I guarantee, see the full potential (which is huge) of this movement realized.
Against all odds we are all still around and seeing steady, albeit slow, progress being made. Just a couple of years ago there were no doubt many who believed that we would be invisible or irrelevant at this point, and yet every day that I spend an hour outside with a sign or with flyers I can see how wrong that prediction turned out to be. The longer we survive, grow, and evolve the better we become at what we do, so let's do more of what we now know works! Let's reach out to others and share with them what we've learned about 9/11, about activism, about human nature, and about achieving the most important victories on behalf of ALL the world's people.
Whether or not our efforts as real truthers are acknowledged is not important--what matters is that we DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE by standing up to the bullies, thought police, saboteurs, etc. in our midst. We are the real strength of the movement and we have the power to subvert any and all attempts to control what we know must be a genuine and sincere grassroots effort just by being who we are, doing what we do, and not becoming discouraged or even CONSIDERING giving up.
Resistance is FERTILE! Keep sowing those real truth seeds, everyone!
Check it
It took me seriously 10 mins. to create a google account, set this blog up and begin blogging the real truth.
The best part about Google's Blogger is that the Real Truth Movement blog can have multiple contributors.
And with Friend Connect anyone can follow the site and make comments.
Anyone have a google account?
http://realtruthmovement.blogspot.com/
Ain't no truth up YET...
And I'm on a mobile device so can't contribute much yet myself.... But it looks cool!
oh...there's more to do?
It's an empty box waiting to be filled.
Gret, you can submit blogs via e-mail directly to any blog you have access to. So if you can send e-mail on your mobile phone you can submit a blog to the front page.
Imagine a troop of 10 Blackberry wielding truthers with one e-mail address that posts blogs?
How many people do you all think have access to the Georgewashington and Arabesque accounts?
Maybe it's just me but these self-appointed truth police have always remained anonymous to me. Anyone know that Georgewashington or Arabesque are not multiple users contributing to the same account?
Not that I wouldn't do the same thing. But I wouldn't parade around as if I were one person. 'The Real Truth Movement' is open to anyone interested in the real truth.
well, yes. no?
I mean, apparently one needs a sekrit code, i.e. the sekrit email address via which to post. care to share? sekritly of course?
9/11-investigator
It's interesting in this context to remember an interview United Press International had with Pakistani General Hameed Gul,
Sep. 26, 2001, only 2 weeks after the attacks!
http://www.radioislam.org/historia/hamidgul.htm
General Hameed Gul was director general of the Pakistani Intelligence Services ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) and a close ally of America, working hand in hand with the American CIA. Gul was also a great supporter of the "American Way Of Life" and Western democracy. General Gul turned against America for betrayal and countless broken promises.
He is, "still today very influential in Pakistan" according to the German daily DIE WELT (Sep. 28, 2001, p. 7).
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan -- The retired Pakistani general who is closest to the Taliban and Osama bin Laden contends the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on New York City and Washington were the work of renegade U.S. Air Force elements working with the Israelis. Gen. Hameed Gul led Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Gul serves as an adviser to Pakistan's extremist religious political parties, which oppose their government's decision to support the United States in any action against Afghanistan's Taliban regime. Gul contends bin Laden had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, saying instead that they were the work of the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence service -- a version of events that has been endorsed by Islamic fundamentalist clerics and is widely accepted by Muslims throughout the Arab world.