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Straw men are known not just for being easy targets to get beat up on, but also for not having any brains.

How else to describe those irrepressible Loose Change boys? Not only do they hock snake oil remedies and apocalypse-prep kits on the Genesis Communications Network with their silly radio show, but apparently they took it upon themselves to "debate" Rolling Stone's resident mockingbird Matt Taibbi. See the last question in this Q&A with Taibbi.

Honestly, if anyone still thinks the Loose Change boys are legit, I invite you to enlighten me as to how on earth you manage to do so!

In the interest of equal time and being fair and balanced, here is a discussion of Classical Judaism (what religious Jews today practice) written by a secular Jewish concentration camp survivor... Be sure to share this information with those who think Islam is not a religion of peace but that Judaism is!

The Laws Against Non-Jews

"Chapter 5"
Jewish History, Jewish Religion:
The Weight of Three Thousand Years

by Professor Israel Shahak

About the Author:

Mysteriously unavailable at the original site, this story from the feeds on the right hand column is quite interesting--let's follow developments, as this is a relevant precedent for a reinvestigation of 9/11...

Calls for A Full Public Inquiry Into Lockerbie Bombing:Will Traficant Be Proven Right Again?
Posted by: Doubting Thomas (IP Logged)
Date: June 25, 2007 03:57PM

James Traficant has always maintained that Libyan national,al Megrahi, was framed by the FBI/CIA in the downing of Pam Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland. Al Megrahi's alleged co-defendent was acquitted.

I thought this was a great write up by Shumonik over at Truthaction.org (YT aka Cosmos' site)--reproduced without permission because... yeah. Good stuff, wonder what people think!

Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:14 am
Post subject: Political Bias and its relationship to 9-11 Truth

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I was thinking that although the left-right divide has been used to divide and conquer us as a nation and a world, there are real differences to the way that people perceive politics and the way it plays out in understanding 9-11.

all of these following statements are generalizations

the radical left understands the word imperialism in the form of neo-cons and israel and resource domination. They understand from their economic/social analysis these guys are not incompetent so you just have to hone in on facts and the power of 9-11 Truth to undo Empire

My understanding is that he had to fork over a portion (about 800 million) to the Port Authority towards building the Freedom Tower, and that he is also obliged to use at least some of the rest of the insurance windfall to rebuild on the site. But will he own those buildings that he rebuilds? He certainly owns WTC7 because it was his outright before 9/11. But when he collected 4 billion in insurance, that money is his, no? And if he is rebuilding on the site (buildings other than the freedom tower) with the money, those buildings will be his, right? So he really WILL have made a huge profit, despite all these issues about being "forced" to rebuild and to contribute to the cost of the Freedom Tower. Can we try to find out exactly what the terms are as far as rebuilding and ownership on the WTC site?

This from the EPA Inspector General's report:

EPA issued five press releases within 10 days after September 11, 2001, four
more through the end of December, and another four through the end of May
2002. EPA’s WTC press releases from September through December 2001
reassured the public about air quality. Although EPA’s press releases generally
recommended that rescue and cleanup workers take precautions to reduce their
exposure to pollutants, EPA’s basic overriding message was that the public did
not need to be concerned about airborne contaminants caused by the WTC
collapse. This reassurance appeared to apply to both indoor and outdoor air.
For example, EPA Region 2 officials told us that the September 18 statement
made by the EPA Administrator (see Appendix C) that the air was “safe” to
breathe only applied to:

• long-term health effects – not short-term or acute health effects;
• the general public – not Ground Zero workers;

Dem Bruce Lee Styles has posted a video at YT's Truthaction forum of Andrew Lowe Watson (a notorious no-plane advocate, part of the blatantly obvious disinfo crowd) where ALW attacks him, Jon Gold, YT, and others. Because I think YT is actually sincere, I think this is a method that the subtle disinfo crowd is going to be using to try to preserve credibility in light of their being exposed as censors of anti-LIHOP and anti-Zionist posters.

Someone yesterday mentioned to me this whole thing about the CIA releasing all kinds of documents detailing their nefarious deeds. The guy who mentioned it was a skeptic of 9/11 truth who really was not making very good arguments generally. Seeing as how the story is being blogged on 911b by none other than Jon Gold I figured it was probably a good thing to comment on.

Lovely day in Cambridge, lots of people to talk to, very few assholes to deal with. Met a few fellow truthers by pure coincidence. Found out that just down the street another 9/11 film festival was taking place at the Democracy Center. We're everywhere, folks...

The original post is here, but it is CONSCIOUSNESS (one of the good cookies still left at 911B) who nails it in comments. Nothing terribly new here (as the poster of the blog seems to think his/her "theory" is) but I love the comment by C because it includes many important details. I'm not really sure about the bill folding points--it IS suspicious how closely the folded images match but even if this was deliberate I bet it was only meant to lend an "occultish" and freemasony aura to the whole thing. Anyway, here is C's comment in all its MIHOP w/faked hijackings glory:

Good to see critical thinking...
But I think you've got it wrong. You need to keep doing more research, you don't have all the details yet.

Don't try to figure out how THEY pulled this off. Try to figure out what YOU would have to do if you wanted to pull this off.

Yikes! How surreal is this? Ron Paul is a pseudo-truth candidate, meaning his cult on 911blogger try to convince us he's our savior. Why? Maybe so that their co-conspirators can spread stuff like this?

http://www.red-alerts.com/un-american-activities/more-ron-paul-supporter...

More Ron Paul Supporters He Won’t Want You to See
Posted in Un-American activities, Homeland Security, Islamic Expansionism by Rob Taylor on the June 21st, 2007

Here’s a blog that recently railed against the Republican effort to “marginalize” the Messiah of half-baked libertarianism. But look around and you’ll see that these Ron Paul supporters aren’t disgruntled Republicans at all, but instead are a collection of Jihadis, anti-Semites and pro-terror propagandists.

Jon Gold and a crack team of his aliases are busy pressing Push for Truth I mean pushing Press for Truth by blogging this brave blog post over at Demonrats.com:

House Patsies for 9/11 Truth

I'm not supposed to say anything but this is part of the strategy of having Kucinich open a LIHOP investigation so that Demonrats will be seen as interested in "the REAL truth" while right-wing tax evading christian zealots are seen as pushing the insane MIHOP ravings of Alex Jones and the Loose Change boyz.

Just thought you might like to know!

Oh yeah, almost forgot--SUPPORT THE FAMILIES!! SUPPORT THE FIRST RESPONDERS!! ISRAEL AND SILVERSTEIN ARE INNOCENT!! OUTLAW BADNESS!! SUPPORT GOODNESS!!

In other news, John Albanese is putting the finishing touches on his exposé of disinformation in the movement. His people have confirmed that the film will take the form of an autobiography.

re: http://www.911blogger.com/node/9465

The post is actually of an article by a denier who says that since Bush was not in on it, it must have been al Qaeda.

Problem 1: the most obvious, which is that the writer is a shill and wants people to think al Qaeda did 9/11.

Problem 2: the notion that either it was al Qaeda OR it was Bush is flawed, because there is no reason to believe, and many reasons not to believe, that Bush was aware of the specific plot before 9/11.

The site is registered to a Catherine Valentino.

There is a city council member of Ithaca New York, a career Democrat, by that name.

Ithaca is 80 miles from Oneonta, where Loose Change is based.

Ithaca is apparently also the home of a strident pro-Zionist campaign... http://the-falcon1.tripod.com/id10.html

I found this on their site:

Free Trade Networking:

Interesting thread!

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_members&Number=1092638&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1#Post1092638

Dov Zakheim's Homeland Security biz and the remote control of aircraft [ Post 1092638 ]

Category: Miscellaneous Issues and Topics Topic: Member Opinions & Questions
Synopsis: System Planning Corporation's Command Transmitter Systems (CTS) provide remote control...
Source: various
Published: December 7, 2003 Author: self
For Education and Discussion Only. Not for Commercial Use.

Dov Zakheim. Not many Americans know who he is, but they ignore him at their own peril. If for no other reason, a dual Israeli-American citizen as Comptroller and Chief Financial Officer of the United States Dept. of Defense should raise some eyebrows. He was also President Bush's senior foreign policy advisor during the 2000 campaign.

Rodrigue Tremblay

"We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control.... A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel.... We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land." - Avrom Shmulevic, rabbi and historian

"[American] strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power."..[His removal is absolutely vital to] "the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century" and for "the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil." - Neocons' January 26, 1998 letter to President Bill Clinton

This question has come up before and I don't think has ever been satisfactorily answered. Nico Haupt is quite possibly the most blatant of the overtly disinformational fake truthers. Could that be why? They need a foil like him to make the other (subtlely) fake truthers look more genuine? Could be! Here is a post including his latest comment, typical Nico... http://www.911blogger.com/node/9428

http://911blogger.com/node/9447

Check out the video posted to 911b above. Ron Paul is asked about 9/11 and his answer CLEARLY indicates his LIHOP position--he emphasizes "prior warnings"and alludes to the fcat that the official investigation was meant to cover up incompetence over the ignoring of these warnings.

No doubt this will only encourage the cult of Ron Paul on 911B, which is immune to reality, or, more likely, quite happy to take the LIHOP pill and move on...

http://911blogger.com/node/9083

There's a blog post by none other than Carol Brouillet, famous in the movement for creating the "Bush did it" deception dollars.

She links to a movie, Severe Visibility, about the Pentagon attack. The movie itself is apparently a no plane at the Pentagon movie. The main character is a military dude who was somewhere where he would have seen the plane but he did not in fact see the plane, and can't bring himself to tell the foreign journalist (no doubt alluding to Thierry Meyssan) what he saw or didn't see.

In comments, "Chris" takes the opportunity to rub the whole Pentagon thing in Arabesque's face, which I would normally find entertaining. I clicked on the trailer for SV and watched it. Over and over it flashed in big letters "9/11/01 9:41 AM" in typical Hollywood style.