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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.

 

"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz


"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

Lazlo Toth's picture

Disinformation, Deception, Misdirection and Division in 9/11 Truth

Because all kinds of conspiratorial imaginings can brew when one maintains silence on an issue, I would like to throw my two cents into the ring regarding various statements or beliefs expressed over at the truthaction.org forum during the big Casseia-Jon Gold showdown of yesterday. Gosh, it was just like being over at the old 9/11 Blogger when your computer’s inner circuitry could sense the passion and the heat certain topics or combos of people could invoke. I would usually move my cursor bar past these diversionary blow-ups as I would rather see or participate in an honest, informed debate as opposed to an all day, name-calling, nasty innuendo fest. Although a heated row in the center of any village will bring out the spectators nonetheless.

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The Carl Cameron Report on Israeli Espionage and 9/11

"ALL LINKS TO CARL CAMERON'S FOX NEWS STORY ON THE ISRAELI SPY RING HAVE BEEN REMOVED AT THE EXPRESS REQUEST OF FOX NEWS."

That's the latest at WhatReallyHappened... but... Fox News has apparently not asked You Tube to remove it? How bizarre...

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Congressman DeFazio (D-OR) "Maybe the people who think there's a conspiracy out there are right."

yeah, he's not talking about 9/11...or is he?

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregonian/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1184896...

DeFazio asks, but he's denied access
Classified info - The congressman wanted to see government plans for after a terror attack

Friday, July 20, 2007
JEFF KOSSEFF
The Oregonian Staff

WASHINGTON -- Oregonians called Peter DeFazio's office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.

As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure "bubbleroom" in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.

On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.

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Cindy Sheehan Banned From DailyKos

That's right, the Kossacks are showing their true colors yet again! They seem to have taken offense at her challenging Nancy "America and Israel Now and Forever" Pelosi on her unwillingness to pursue impeachment.

Slowly but surely the truth about everything and everyone is coming out. Cindy reveals she really is 2 legit 2 quit, the Kossacks continue their purge. First 9/11 Truthers, now anti-War folks. The only thing that matters to the "progressive" Kos is electing corporate candidates who put D's next to their name. Look out MLK! Stand back, Howard Zinn! The revolution apparently will NOT be... well, revolutionary at all!

It's time for 9/11 Truth to support Cindy and encourage her to join our calls for truth!

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Just Like the Old Days -- Gold Accuses People of LYING About Him

I guess this is a bad habit rearing its head, but it's so tempting to argue with this guy.

truthaction forum

Annoymouse's picture

WeAreChange confronts Mccain

Found this at 911B incase you missed it.

Luke and the boys are doing an awesome job confronting these bastards.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3269080492376709459&hl=en

inside's picture

Guns & Butter was the fist place that i heard 911 was an inside job in the radio back in 2002..

Guns & Butter
Wednesday, July 18th, 2007, 1:00pm

9/11, Canada and the New World Order

Featuring Dr. Kevin Barrett on "Beyond a Muslim Conspiracy Theory"; and leader of the Canadian Action Party, Connie Fogel, on "The Security and Prosperity Partnership and the North American Union" from the Vancouver 9/11 Truth Conference in June 2007.

KPFA 94.1 FM Berkeley 1pm PST, and streaming and archived at www.kpfa.org

www.gunsandbutter.net

side note, i have been banned for apt 911b.. i dont think that rep liked me telling him to fuck off..

Big_D's picture

9/11 Ripple Effect.

Ok, I gotta' admit, for the most part, I like it. What say you?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6847507648836588010

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David Milliband...

so what should we make of this uppity character?

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1105482007&format=print

Lazlo Toth's picture

Required Reading – Dr. Paul Craig Roberts' “Carter’s Inconvenient Truths”

CARTER's INCONVENIENT TRUTHS

by Paul Craig Roberts

Counterpunch, Friday, January 12, 2007

Jimmy Carter, probably the most decent man to occupy the White House, received a lot of grief during his term in office, most of it undeserved. His latest book, “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid” has brought him even more grief, none of it deserved.

My own appreciation of Jimmy Carter is new found. It began with his previous book, “Our Endangered Values,” in which Carter criticized the direction in which George W. Bush was taking America with his assaults on the Constitution and international law. His latest book, currently a best seller, shows that Carter has the courage to match his decency and commitment to peace in the Middle East.

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From Mike Gravel: Political Mysteries

gretavo's picture

Born-again Al Qaeda Evangelizing in Iraq?

From today's Boston Globe, with my commentary...

Al Qaeda seen reborn as key threat
Report fuels more debate on Iraq war course

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | July 18, 2007

WASHINGTON -- The Al Qaeda terror network, responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacksn [not really, though], has reestablished a safe haven in Pakistan [eek, should have listened to Jon Gold!], retained its top leadership [Silverstein, Cheney, and Mossad still at the helm], and trained new operatives in [the holocaust formerly known as] Iraq -- and now poses [as] a "heightened threat" of another massive attack on the United States, according to the summary of a joint American intelligence assessment [and Michael Chertoff's tripe].

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It's not a gang. It's a club!

US: Top al-Qaida in Iraq Figure Captured

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070718/ap/d8qevb680.html

The U.S. command said Wednesday the highest-ranking Iraqi in the leadership of al-Qaida in Iraq has been arrested, adding that information from him indicates the group's foreign-based leadership wields considerable influence over the >Iraqi chapter.

Khaled Abdul-Fattah Dawoud Mahmoud al-Mashhadani, also known as Abu Shahid, was captured in Mosul on July 4, said Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, a military spokesman.

"Al-Mashhadani is believed to be the most senior Iraqi in the al-Qaida in Iraq network," Bergner said. He said al-Mashhadani was a close associate of Abu Ayub al-Masri, the Egyptian-born headof al-Qaida in Iraq.

gretavo's picture

Richard Gage - Why The Towers Fell


gretavo's picture

Understanding by Challenging Orthodoxies - Why We Have to Slaughter *All* Sacred Cows

I think the answer to all this 9/11 intrigue is simple--not just the survival of Israel as a racist state founded on lies and theft is at stake, but that simple and to some, profoundly disturbing fact acts as a firewall. If the real truth about 9/11 were to become widely known it would lead to an unimaginably profound reworking of the world order because the game would be over as far as using manufactured myths, emotional manipulation, ethnic divisions, and big lies to hide the real nature of the way power is wielded by global elites.

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LIHOP ALERT - CIA attempting limited hangout move?

This "TimmyGonzalez" character surfaced around the time of my banning and the dropping of the festooning of Apt. 911B with Reprehensor's lovely Iron Curtains. Could this be more transparent? 911B joining forces with the CIA and FoxNews to expose a version of "truth" that scapegoats Bush and Cheney AND promotes the "plane at the Pentagon" BS? Sorry--internal explosives combined with a flyover is the most likely scenario. Destroying evidence of where the 2.3 Trillion went is a likely motive, "Dov" tailing nicely with the destruction of evdience of the massive stock market fraud from the 90s in WTC7.

Quick a group of CIA members formed a Union stating

gretavo's picture

Time to get angry, America (video)

A nice video except for the fact that it excludes Doug Feith and features 9/11 deniers ike Jon Stewart and Sean Penn looking all righteous. To me it's a scapegoating limited hangout Zionist-protecting piece. What think ye?

Time to get angry, America (video) - “You have somebody like George Tenett acknowledging in his book that he knew that the administration was deceiving the American people into a situation that is murdering young men and women from this country, then George Tenett and Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice and George Bush should be in f***ing jail”, says actor, Sean Penn.

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Freep This Forum!

Meaning of course, go represent the views of real truthers on this discussion board at Amazon.com!

And if you know of any other debates taking place online, PLEASE SHARE so that we can weigh in and show the strength of our numbers and coordination! Every little bit makes a big difference, like the flapping butterfly wing!

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random thoughts for today

I just registered and I'm giving this blog function a try.

I don't know where this guy stands on 911 truth but he's got some great quotes on his site, a few that remind me of what we go through in attempt to spread the truth.

A tiny extraction:

The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him.

Teaching is like dropping letters into the mailbox of the mind. You know when they're posted but not when delivered, if read, or action taken. --HBS Prof Christensen

(the same could well be said of blog postings...)

"Doubt your doubts and radiate optimism."

"I shall pass through this world but once; any good things, therefore, that I can do, or any kindness that I can show to any human being, or dumb animal, let me do it now. Let me not deter it or neglect it, for I shall not pass this way again." --John Galsworthy

gretavo's picture

Missing from Google RSS feed - the latest story - and it's a good one!

Judge's Damage-Before-Discovery Raises More 9/11 Questions
Saturday, July 14, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

News Analysis

In a ruling that jurist.law called "unusual," on Friday, July 13, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of the US District Court of Southern New York ruled that "six wrongful death suits filed by survivors of victims who perished in the September 11 terrorist attacks will proceed to trial on the the issue of damages on September 4."

The JuristLaw article added: "In an unusual decision, Hellerstein severed the issues of damages and liability to speed up litigation, opting to proceed on with the issues of damages first because 'limited discovery is needed' and also because the 'alleged negligence of airlines and their security contractors have no relation to the amount of compensatory damages' that plaintiffs could recover."

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2007/07/911-compensation-trial-to-...

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