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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.


"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz

"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

dicktater's picture

Deciphering Dov Zakheim...

...in sixty seconds. Kinda like a comic book, a format most any American can understand.



Zakheim is a rabid Zionist, who carries an Israel passport and is considered to be one of the top members of the secretive Illuminati . He predicts 9/11 and by sheer coincidence the Pentagon is hit by a remote controlled jet (Zakheim's ' SPC ' corporation is the premier company in the field).During his tenure as controller at the Pentagon from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004, over one trillion dollars was unaccounted for.

Military information is jeopardized, military contractors billed the US for Israeli items, $50 million fighter jets are classified as surplus and the list goes on and on. As the scandal of the missing trillion dollars surfaces the Rabbi quickly resigns.

Israel is given the finest fighter jets in the US inventory while 15% of US jets are grounded for lack of parts.

Jpass's picture

Losing Faith In Ron Paul

Ron Paul has basically denied the general premise of 9/11 Truth, that the perps of 9/11 had help on the inside. That the event has been cover-ed up by the US government.

Many Ron Paul supporters are saying that Paul is 'just playing the game' because we all know a candidate can't win if they mentions '911 truth' even at a whisper. I hope they don't expect 9/11 Truth to go mainstream with that method.

I saw Ron Paul on an interview and he was asked about (shhh...) impeachment. Ron Paul is claiming that the President misled us into Iraq but he does not think the president should be impeached.

So no 911 truth and no impeachment. hmmmm.

The first candidate that comes out in support for 9/11 Truth will get more publicity then the biggest fund raiser in the line up. All news and pundit channels would have to talk about it for days...maybe weeks.

How do you guys feel about Ron Paul at this point?

Lazlo Toth's picture

In 1948 Menachem Begin’s Militant Zionism was called by Albert Einstein the “latest manifestation of Fascism"

If you have ever said that militant, right-wing Zionists behave and think like Nazis and Fascists, you are not alone. Dr. Albert Einstein and his friends are on your side. Read on...


Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed

DECEMBER 2, 1948

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the Freedom Party (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

Lazlo Toth's picture

Two Weeks After 9/11 A Pakistani General Reveals the Larger Geo-Political Context of “9/11”

Hi all,
If you are looking for some very interesting reading, here is a piece you might have passed by in those weeks of insanity just after 9/11. Cheers.

Sept. 26, 2001

UPI United Press International Exclusive Interview

Arnaud de Borchgrave, United Press International editor at large
interviews former Director of Pakistani Intelligence (ISI), General Hameed Gul


De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?

General Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.

kate of the kiosk's picture

good ole boy judge hellerstein

headlines in my daily blab: "Airlines sue FBI, CIA to interview 9/11 investigators". So i dug this one up:


juandelacruz's picture

Problems connecting to wtcdemolition.com

Hi guys,

I just wanted to centralize all discussion on the problem of connecting to this website. I had noticed various blog posts ending up with comments related to this problem.

One workaround I use is to bookmark the numeric IP

This is not perfect, whenever I post something, the website would redirect me to the base URL (wtcdemolition.com) which ends up redirected again to another website. To get around this again, I just click the back button of my browser till I get to a page that loaded previously with the numeric IP then I reload that page.

When using the numeric IP I also cant see the avatar pics, but that's no big deal.

I think the problem is some DNS servers do not respond with the proper IP. The problem is not consistent, some days they work, other days they don't. I think this is unexpected of a DNS server and may be a form of sabotage.

kate of the kiosk's picture

Mike Gravel shut-out of tonight's Chicago debate

AFL-CIO/MSNBC say his campaign "did not answer questionnaire on time"

he is so cool, calm and collected in this MSNBC video response:


gretavo's picture

Fidel Castro Inches Towards 9/11 Truth

Whaddya mean, Gretavo? Well, you have to realize who General Ivashov is...

On September 11, 2001, the day when the tragic events in New York occurred, which served as a pretext to define the basis of the genocidal policy of the United States almost 6 years ago, General Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces. He is a truly well-informed man. It is worthwhile that our people know about his views.

-Fidel Castro
Hard and Obvious Realities

From patriotsquestion911.com:

General Leonid Ivashov – Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces on 9/11/2001, and Department Chief for General affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense.

Essay 1/22/06: Regarding 9/11 "Only secret services and their current chiefs – or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations – have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. ...

larry horse's picture

Do you remember the Camp David crash on 9/11?

there's a bit of LIHOP seasoning in this video, but i had never heard of the Camp David crash. granted it didn't take place, but it seems to me the media messed up the screenplay again, ala the BBC and their prescient coverage of the Salomon Bros. Building demolition.

juandelacruz's picture

The Fed’s policies were designed to create a crisis

A startling article from Information Clearinghouse


"Economic policy is not “accidental”. The Fed’s policies were designed to create a crisis, and that crisis was intended to coincide with the activation of a nation-wide police-state. It is foolish to think that Greenspan or his fellows did not grasp the implications of the system they put in place. These are very smart men and very shrewd economists. They knew exactly what they were doing. They all understand the effects of low interest rates and expanded money supply. And, they’re also all familiar with Ludwig von Mises, who said:

"There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion.”"

Doom and gloom in the economic front - allegedly by design.

I don't agree with the author's last remark though to support Ron Paul.

A Filipino for 9-11 truth.

Keenan's picture

Barak Obama - Judas Goat


Incidentally, Obama's speech, was allegedly:

"designed to shore up his credentials as a potential commander-in-chief by backing a pre-emptive military action which even President Bush has so far refused to order"

which is just more evidence that America really is totally and utterly screwed (to use the vernacular), because while the entire world hates Bush and his handlers and recognises them as the psychopathic child-killers that they are, the sadly accurate consensus in the clinically insane world of American politics is that the only way any potential 'selectees' like Obama or Hillary are gonna secure the Presidency after Bush's 8 years of bloodletting, is not to call for an end to war (as the American people want) but to upstage Bush in terms of murderous rampaging, and to do it according to the Ziocons' script. And it appears that the formerly liberal democrat Obama isn't about to shrink from the task.

Scared yet? You should be.

gretavo's picture

A Call to Real Patriots and Thoughts on the Big Picture

As those who follow the discussions on this site know, there's been a lot of talk about the nature of the big picture (in a historical sense) into which 9/11 fits. We have struggled to discern whatever truth lies behind the claims of a long-term conspiracy the goal of which is world domination by undemocratic means.

We have, reasonably in my mind, identified sucha conspiracy in the form of the gradual undermining of national sovereignty (whether imposed by royals or by democratic institutions) by the relentless and largely misunderstood forces of economic manipulation.

We have also, I think, linked to thisdistinct method of conquest a number of important social movements that have in effect brought down some formidable power structures, often replacing the not so good with the even worse. To recap briefly, it would seem that in recent history these would include Communism, Nazism, and Zionism.

Danse's picture

Journalists and Genocide

Posted this over at truthaction.


In light of the forthcoming History Channel hit piece.
I was shocked -- shocked I tell you -- to hear that the producers didn't bother interviewing the likes of David Ray Griffin or Bob Bowman.

The piece at truthaction is fairly long so I won't bother posting it here, but please give it a read if you have a few minutes.

I explore the idea of whether any of the mediawhores who carry out these disinformation campaigns can and ever will be held accountable in a court of law.

My sad conclusion is that they most likely will not. However, I'm anxious to hear if anyone can come up with a plausible scenario whereby the Bill O'Reilly's and Rupert Murdochs of the world are brought to justice.

Big_D's picture

Traveling 9/11 memorial stops at California Mid-State Fair

Huh? Someone's dragging an 29,000 pound steel I BEAM around California?!?!

"A traveling 9/11 memorial makes a stop at the Mid-State Fair.

The 29,000 pound steel I BEAM sits on a tractor trailer bed as a stark reminder of the force behind the explosions that tumbled the Twin Towers on 9/11.

The beam was retrieved from Ground Zero and brought out to California by train.

The portable display has visited a handful of California fairs.

"On opening day, we're building this big memorial and my dad calls me and he says this is unbelievable. People are so touched and moved. We had to buy cases of Kleenex and writing their names and putting flowers, and on, and on."

Photos of Ground Zero on display also help retell history.

Donations are being collected to go towards finishing a permanent memorial located in Sacramento."


dicktater's picture

Critics take aim at Bin Laden musical

Critics take aim at Bin Laden musical


Thu Aug 2, 2:24 PM ET

LONDON (AFP) - A satirical musical about Islamist terrorism and Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has sparked protests in Britain, with critics blasting it as tasteless.

"Jihad: The Musical," which features songs including "I wanna be like Osama" and is described as "a madcap gallop through the wacky world of international terrorism," is on at the Edinburgh Fringe festival this month.

Jpass's picture

The USS Liberty - A Song

I wrote this song about 2 years ago and I thought you guys might like it. Try to hear this in your mind as a new old time string band sounding song. Old Crow Medicine Showish...

USS Liberty
by. j.passwaters
copyright 2005

No one cried when our sailors died
Proud men serving on the liberty
A US Flag was flyin high
They were floatin without motion
In the Straight of Sinai

Oh yea...oh yea...

Our friends circled us early that mornin'
Old Jim Ennis saw the white of their teeth
No one knew what was about to go down
They started droppin bombs on our brave men....


Cover it up with your biggest blanket
You couldn't sink her so now we can see
Cover it up with your biggest blanket
You couldn't sink our Liberty

They started with rockets and machine gun fire
oh the 2nd round they let the napalm down
That wasn't enough to sink our Liberty
So They brought torpedo boats to give it a go

kate of the kiosk's picture

Mike Gravel Interview - Philly Jewish Voice

"I will not be deterred by any lobying group..."


gretavo's picture

Oklahoma City Revisited

WOW-This is a great video of the compilation of news stories from the day of the OKC bombing--it includes some analysis by Eric Hufschmid at the beginning, from Painful Deceptions I think. The rest is high quality and more complete than what had been available before... COPY THIS VIDEO before it disappears again!

gretavo's picture

Tired of the unifying force of 9/11 Truth?

Got this in Kevin Barrett's latest email...

1 August 2007
Interview: Jim Fetzer will be the guest of host Lee Rayburn, guest host, on Air America (nation-wide)7-8 PM/CT on airamerica.com (mp3)

Air America and Uncle Fetzer - Match Made in Shill Heaven!

So here's what it's looking like...


We have Air America, Jim Fetzer (911scholars.org), Kevin Barrett, and Dennis Kucinich!


We have Genesis Communications Network, Steven Jones (stj911.org), Alex Jones, and Ron Paul!

gretavo's picture

With Liberal Peaceniks Like These...

Who needs AIPAC? Direct from Pelosi's back yard:


I like how Fiore fills his cartoon with all kinds of scruffy and mean looking Arabs who are getting $20 million in bombs while just briefly mentioning the $3 billion annually that Israel is getting, while showing no caricatures of corrupt politicians or rabid land stealing settlers beating up teenage girls, old women, and bulldozing activists! Go Fiore!

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