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For all its problems with the insincere among its ranks, the real truth movement is the one peopled by the vast, honest majority who believe the events of 9/11 must be subjected to the closest scrutiny possible if we are to learn from this dark chapter in world history. This site is for every real "truther" out there.

 

"If telling the truth marginalizes you, then that is the place to be. After all, if enough people are willing to be marginalized, then before you know it, society has developed a different center. This is the politics of truth."

E. Martin Schotz


"I've had enough of someone else's propaganda... I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole."

Malcolm X

"I am a passionate seeker after Truth and a not less passionate enemy of the malignant fictions used by the "Party of Order", the official representatives of all turpitudes, religious, metaphysical, political, judicial, economic, and social, present and past, to brutalise and enslave the world; I am a fanatical lover of Liberty; considering it as the only medium in which can develop intelligence, dignity, and the happiness of man..."

Mikhail Bakunin

"Tell all the Truth but tell it slant-/Success in Circuit lies/Too bright for our infirm Delight/The Truth's superb surprise/As Lightning to the Children eased/With explanation kind/The Truth must dazzle gradually/Or every man be blind-"

Emily Dickinson

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Real Truther Banned From Amazon Discussion Forums - Someone Else's "Holocaust is a Hoax" Forum Deleted, Gone Without a Trace

Well, it was bound to happen. The first to get banned was a very obnoxious 9/11 denier who was regularly defaming me and my family. Now it seems that the hammer has come down on several others including myself who had been posting in the Politics forums there, on the issues of 9/11 and subsequently on the issue of Israel and of course, the You-Know-What-O-Caust. In fact it seems that the Arab-Defamation League must have gotten to them because the entire holocaust discussion has been deleted and the two main contributors to the revisionist side, myself and "I.Comyns" have had all of all posts on ALL of the forums deleted. In this way they have deleted every single post I made on every 9/11 thread there, every anti-Zionist thread, and of course the holocaust thread. All gone, just like that.

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Real-Time Comments Return To 911B

http://www.911blogger.com/node/10945#comment

Just no 'holocaust revision'. I wonder though, does 'holocaust revision' include questioning the so-called Jew's (Israeli Zionists) role in 911...

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Houston, We Have a Problem...

http://houston911truth.org/2007/08/27/daily-kos-american-airlines-911-didnt-happen/

Thanks Houston Truth for pointing out this "borderline CT" blog entry on DailyKos....

WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.

Original entry was:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

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Defending Leo Strauss

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/leostrauss/

U. of C. philosophy prof Leo Strauss has been blamed for the rise of the neocons and even the invasion of Iraq. Now one of his disciples hopes to clear his name.

August 24, 2007

By Julie Englander

On a sunny Wednesday last November, 16 students sat around a University of Chicago seminar table with two unpublished typescripts in front of them. The students were taking a course on the philosopher Leo Strauss, and “politics and policy” was the day’s topic. “In some ways it was easy to select the readings for this subject,” announced Nathan Tarcov, a professor of political science, “because Strauss wrote almost nothing about practical politics. I had to scrounge to find much of anything.”

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Jonathan Cook - on ancient iranian jewish community and israeli agitations

not sure if this has already been posted but here goes...

http://www.jkcook.net/Articles2/0304.htm#Top

As Ciamak Moresadegh, an Iranian Jewish leader, observed: “If you think Judaism and Zionism are one, it is like thinking Islam and the Taliban are the same, and they are not.” Iran’s leaders denounce Zionism, which they blame for fueling discrimination against the Palestinians, but they have also repeatedly avowed that they have no problem with Jews, Judaism or even the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad, caricatured as a merchant of genocide, has in fact called for ‘regime change’ -- and then only in the sense that he believes a referendum should be held of all inhabitants of Israel and the occupied territories, including refugees from war, on the nature of the government.

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MoveOn over

As some of you may already know, they are planning a nationwide vigil/protest for this Tuesday 8/28. some of us might want to take this opportune time to expose the "antiwar" masses to a little 9/11-truth-real-reasons-for-the-f'in-war stuff.

http://pol.moveon.org/event/events/index.html?action_id=92

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Wired for Terror: On the Trail of the Men Who Brought Down the Towers

DISCLAIMER

WIRED for TERROR:
On the Trail of the Men Who Brought Down the Towers

PART ONE:
General Introduction and Survey of the Criminal Landscape

By "Dr. Lazlo Toth"

August 20, 2007

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PART ONE: General Introduction and Survey of the Criminal Landscape

“Of all the forms of murder, none is more monstrous than that committed by a state against its own citizens... The homicidal state shares one trait with the solitary killer -- like all murderers, it trips on its own egoism and drops a trail of clues which, when properly collected, preserved and analyzed are as damning as a signed confession left in the grave.”
-- Forensic anthropologist Clyde Snow, speaking before the May 1984 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

"9/11 is the apparent work of a demonic consciousness associated with the pursuit of commercial profit and materialistic power.” (From ''The Execution of 9/11 Shows the Criminal Tendencies of a Nazi Clique" by Iain Mackenzie in “The Canadian,” April 26, 2007)

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Wired for Terror: On the Trail of the Men Who Brought Down the Towers - Hypertext Version by ®™

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From the 9/11 Trance-Writings of Demeter Poulos

“The unstoppable terror of the God of Righteousness shall descend mightily upon the imposters who ceaselessly devise evil in His Name. Those who work merciless wickedness while falsely wrapping themselves in the cloak of His Truth and His Justice and His Mercy shall be violently removed from their places of hiding and scheming, and in an instant, like a flash of lightning, their base and evil tree shall be cut down and burned to nothingness. They, the treasonous, shall all be placed in chains, bitterly scorned and condemned by their countrymen to their fates. And their empire, like all the ones preceding, shall cease and never rise again, for the God of Righteousness has placed his wrath within the hearts of the awakened citizens and bids them to remove the country’s enemies from the bowels of the very government that falsely swears to protect them.

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The Obama Campaign V.S. Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Gotta hand it to the student scholars--their name may be redundant but their actions are far from it. If people get a chance they might think to drop them a line of encouragement!

The Obama Campaign V.S. Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth -
On August 13th, members of Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth and local 9/11 Truth activists attended a Barack Obama event in Keene, NH.

Thank you for your continued support! To the truth!
Justin A. Martell

[9/11 Blogger (currently being policed by LIHOP censors, be skeptical!)]

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9/11 Mysteries Updates!

**As of mid-August, "911 Mysteries" will hit the chain stores --
Borders, Barnes & Noble, even Wal-Mart and Target! Our own website prices are now lower, so take advantage and check out the final version (slimpack and bulk prices down too)!**

**"Watch and decide for yourself..."
ROSIE O'DONNELL**

**What's the difference? Some changes in music, better footage, the famous BBC Building 7 gaffe, a word on pulverization, some tweaks and clarifications. Not radical, just better.**

**DVD $16, slimpack $9,
multiples MUCH less!
Click here to order
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Caught Stalking - Daily Kos' "Bouwerie Boy" Outed as Creepy Stalker of 9/11 Truth Folk

HA! Poor BB, thought he'd get praise for his enthusiasm instead gets called out for stalking... Then when he realizes he's been made to look a fool he turns on the commenter and accuses them of, well, who knows...

from: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/14/72440/5302

It is helpful in policing (0 / 0)
the site to be aware of their activities. Many repeat, banned, 911 trolls also post at these tin foil sites. I occasionally even sit in at the local NY911Truth meeting here in the East Village which is held on Sunday's just around the corner from me. Those affairs are really crazy. I once watched a presentation there which advanced the theory that all news footage of the Trade Center collapse had been rigged by the Government to hide the actually cause of their destruction, American cruise missiles. Wow!

"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." ~ Diderot

by Bouwerie Boy on Tue Aug 14, 2007 at 07:20:14 AM PDT

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Christian Embassy

and they shall not fear, for they shall be raptured

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080307A.shtml

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What is "Procrustics"?

This is from Wikipedia:

In 1959 science fiction novel Eden by Stanisław Lem, Procrustics is the name of a fictitious information-theory based social engineering discipline of molding groups within a society and ultimately a society as a whole to behave as designed by secretive hidden rulers, to create a hideous form of social control in which the very existence of the governing powers is denied and each individual appears to themselves to be free yet are being manipulated and controlled. One example described in the novel is "concentration camps" without any guards which are designed so that the prisoners stay inside apparently on their "free" will.

Yep, sounds like our Eden! Maybe Oprah could make her book club read it? I mean... maybe people might all of a sudden develop an interest in reading the book all of their own accord, since the idea that there is some secret queen of reading out there manipulating people is so clearly absurd and paranoid!

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Extreme Anti-Semitism Documented

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/15/are-you-afraid-of-backlash/

Many more hate sites listed here: http://listislam.cjb.net/

Please join me in reporting these purveyors of anti-semitic conspiracy theories to the Anti-Defamation League.

Here's some more...

Take the Muzzie Quiz!

Or how about this editorial in the Investor's Business Daily?

Who's Afraid Of '24'?

INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Posted 1/19/2007

Knowing The Enemy: The anti-war left hates the Bush administration with such a passion it refuses to recognize how dangerous our enemies in the Muslim world are. Now they hate the TV show "24" because it dares to remind us.

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Greg Palast apologizes to Dr. Steven Jones: "An apology and hope for reasoned discourse"

Guess what, Greg? Not all of us are as nice and forgiving as Dr. Jones (much to his credit) was in this dialogue with you. So let's say you haven't been knowingly complicit in the coverup--that means that you are, instead, an ass and a moron. The fact that it took the threat of a lawsuit for you to admit that you are an ignorant buffoon shows that you are also a weasel. Playing the anti-semite card as your sole defense aside from pleading ignorance also says a lot, I think. What are we to make of you, Greg? After all, didn't you go to school with some of the neocons you claim to oppose? Could it be that just maybe you have been playing controlled opposition this whole time? Hm? Maybe?

Greg Palast apologizes to Dr. Steven Jones: "An apology and hope for reasoned discourse"

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Insurgents Surging on DailyKos - Mia Dolan Reeling!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/19/101515/249

How blindingly obvious does it have to get? Does the naked emperor have to rub his crotch in some peoples' faces for them to finally GET it?

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What is your favorite disparaging name for 9/11 truthers?

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