Real American vs. Immigrants

Big_D's picture

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gretavo's picture

oh YEAH!

That is awesome. now, to be fair, the young lady is lucky that a buffalo didn't show up with a sign telling the Indians to go back over the Bering strait to Asia... :)

Jpass's picture



Jpass's picture

Pretty bad stuff here

This lady is squawking some pretty racist stuff.
"You guys killed all the Indians"
"You guys are white, you need to go back to white land"
"I don't like white people"

I can empathize with her feelings about the slaughter of Native Indians in North America, but this lady is so divisive and irrational that I can't imagine anything good that can come out of her hateful protest.

gretavo's picture

i dunno

I think she makes people see the absurdity of descendants of european immigrants telling mexican immigrants to leave... many of those mexican immigrants are in fact of indian descent. the bottom line is of course that immigration issues are caused primarily by economic realities that are created by the scheming elites who in turn use the divisions among the masses it fosters to perpetuate their sick rule...

Jpass's picture

you identify the problem

Scheming elites and corrupt policy...

She is fighting hate with hate. Maybe she's being over the top to make a point but my impression was that she really does not like white people.

That scheming elites love this shit because it divides the mutts into camps.

Big_D's picture

"she really does not like white people."

Well, I know from experience, most Native American's don't. And I don't blame them one bit. Hell, I'm a white, European American with probably five, maybe ten percent Native American in my genes & I hate white people. Ha, Ha!

Gretavo summed up my feelings exactly on the subject, if the PTB would quit raping other's land, explioting and 'brain draining' their people and installing ruthless, puppet leaders their people wouldn't NEED to come here for a better life.

I really can't judge though, she could be racist or just pissed off at the hypocrisy...

Jpass's picture

you don't think it's racist....

To say "i hate white people"?

I do.

Let's say I say this...

"God I fuckin hate black people!"

That is racist.

Big_D's picture

No, I know it's a racist statement...

and I also know racism is a tool the elites use to further their agenda (fear of the unknown or perceived wrongs). When I look back over our history as white people I can't help but think, "Ye shall reap what ye sow." and what we've sown as a people is drenched in blood.

casseia's picture

Oh, Jpass...

There's a huge difference. Those two utterances both happen in a historical context, and that context is that "white" people have fucked over Black and Native people MUCH more than they will ever have the chance to reciprocate. Have fucked over, and continue to fuck over. That doesn't mean that people who are white don't get ethnically-based hostility from people of color, it just means that we don't really have a basis to whine about it.

I noticed that is down or I would have sent you there to check out some mind-opening ideas. I first heard about them and their journal on the site that was the place I first became aware of 9/11 truth. The article that ignited the shitstorm there was from Harvard Magazine and called "Abolish the White Race":

Abolish the White Race

"The good news is that there are now a host of writers and a growing number of courses and workshops designed to enlighten white people as to the real benefits and the great cost of their property in whiteness," writes former Harvard Law School professor Derrick Bell in his epilogue to When Race Becomes Real: Black and White Writers Confront Their Personal Histories, edited by Bernestine Singley, LL.M. '76 (Lawrence Hill Books, $26.95). Many of those engaged in this Herculean task are white, Bell notes, among them Noel Ignatiev, Ed.M. '85, Ph.D. '94, C.A.S. '95, author of How the Irish Became White and a fellow at the W.E.B. Du Bois Institute, who writes:

In the interests of survival, Afro-Americans have always studied whiteness. There is a long tradition among them that the white race is a peculiar sort of social formation, one that depends on its members' willingness to conform to the institutions and behavior patterns that reproduce it. By the early was becoming commonplace in the academy to speak of race, along with class and gender, as a social construct....

In addition to the notion of race as a social construct, [an old friend, John Garvey, and I] shared another, which we owed to the West Indian Marxist C.L.R. James: that ordinary Americans are drawn by the conditions of their lives in two opposite directions, one that mirrors and reproduces the present society of competition and exploitation, and another that points toward a new society based on freely associated activity. We believed that this internal antagonism played itself out as a civil war within the white mind, between the desire of whites to wall themselves off from black Americans and their desire to overcome the boundaries that kept them apart.

John and I decided that it was time to launch a journal to document that civil war. The result was Race Traitor, whose first issue appeared in the fall of 1992 with the slogan "Treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" on its cover. The aim was to chronicle and analyze the making, remaking, and unmaking of whiteness. My book on the Irish was the story of how people for whom whiteness had no meaning learned its rules and adapted their behavior to take advantage of them; Race Traitor was an attempt to run the film backwards, to explore how people who had been brought up as white might become unwhite....

The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Of course we expected bewilderment from people who still think of race as biology. We frequently get letters accusing us of being "racists," just like the KKK, and have even been called a "hate group." ...

Our standard response is to draw an analogy with anti-royalism: to oppose monarchy does not mean killing the king; it means getting rid of crowns, thrones, royal titles, etc....

Every group within white America has at one time or another advanced its particular and narrowly defined interests at the expense of black people as a race. That applies to labor unionists, ethnic groups, college students, schoolteachers, taxpayers, and white women. Race Traitor will not abandon its focus on whiteness, no matter how vehement the pleas and how virtuously oppressed those doing the pleading. The editors meant it when they replied to a reader, "Make no mistake about it: we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as 'the white race' is destroyed—not 'deconstructed' but destroyed."

gretavo's picture

what if...

someone said that the "Jewish race" should be abolished? Not meaning of course detsroying the people, but the identity as a meaningless construct? Sorry, but I couldn't resist! BWAHAHAHA!

casseia's picture

No. 1 Google result for "race traitor journal"

Race Traitor | Journal of the New Abolitionism - 2 visits - 12:40pm
From RACE TRAITOR #16 - "The 'Jewish' population of Israel includes people from fifty countries, of different physical types, speaking different languages ... - 1k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

I want issue number 16.

Anyway, the kind of reaction you're hinting at is precisely the form the ape-shittery took when a whole buncha white people went apeshit over that article.

gretavo's picture

so wait

what's the point... race as a false construct is bad but "Jewishness" as a false construct is OK? As long as it is equal opportunity in terms of race?

i would never deny peoples' right to congregate and assemble and segregate themselves, but I DO have a problem with any kind of social construct being used to group people in ways that enable injustice to be perpetrated. However diverse Israeli society is, it is still inherently fascistic.

casseia's picture

No, the way I read that

is that it was going to come down hard on the "Jewish" racial identity -- the issue is titled "Palestine" so I don't think they're very sympathetic to those who would construct a "Jewish" racial identity.

gretavo's picture

ah, gotcha

well heck, let us know if you get your hands on the Race Traitor!

Big_D's picture


"Our standard response is to draw an analogy with anti-royalism: to oppose monarchy does not mean killing the king; it means getting rid of crowns, thrones, royal titles, etc...."

This would have been my next point. You can't question racism & not be smacked with the inherent racism that is "royal blood". Cause' from what I've learned, and no offense to any monarchs lurking about, they're nothing but inbred swine.

gretavo's picture

now you've done it

just WAIT until I'm restored to my rightful throne, insolent cur!

Jpass's picture

Doesn't Matter

"There's a huge difference. Those two utterances both happen in a historical context,"

Whether you say you hate all white people or you are white and you claim to hate all black people...hate is hate. This sort of language and blind rage does nothing to facilitate relationships that will bring the masses TOGETHER to combat the real enemies of the people.

I can't bring myself to accept racism as 'ok' when it's directed towards 'white people' as a whole group. Racism is never justified in my book.

This woman for example, if she truly does 'hate white people' as an entire group of people...she is alienating and stopping relationships that might actually bring her to an understanding that does not involve hate and bigotry.

My gut feeling is that she doesn't actually hate white people as a whole. She is more using 'white' as a synonym for racism and bigotry. That is what I do not agree with. If she were to quit yapping about how she hates white people, she might find that her and I have something in common...we are both saddened by injustice matter if it's directed towads whites, blacks, or any other skin color.

Your article is interesting but it's entirely too filled with divisiveness. It's hard to imagine that the author expected the writing to do anything positive for race relations between blacks and whites. Maybe the brush should be applied evenly to all humans.

Skin color doesn't matter.

casseia's picture

I hate hate.

I don't like hatefulness and yes, I think it's not helpful for her to hate all white people. But I am firmly of the opinion that those of us who are white (and I take the "treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity" thing VERY seriously and really dislike referring to myself as white -- but I won't deny that I have a lot of privilege as a result) ... anyway... me and my excessively long sentences... I have come to the conclusion that those of us who are white have earned the obligation to STFU when it comes to people of color expressing their hostility.