Why have you ignored everything that Richard Gage at Architects and Engineers has presented? We can say that it is a fact that the buildings came down in controlled demolitions. What about Building 7?

How about you and I stand on a corner to wake up people to the truth? You go through your odd list of facts, and I move straight into the controlled demolitions. Let's see how many people you convince compared to how many I convince.

With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org

Richard Gage can handle that part, Jon handles the part he is familiar with. Jon isn't an architect or engineer. He's "Jon Six Pack" lol

Stand on the corner, what will happen is people will think you are fanatical, and Jon will appear better informed and logical. I've seen it happen in practice.

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Great minds ... think for themselves.

"Stand on the corner, what will happen is people will think you are fanatical, and Jon will appear better informed and logical. I've seen it happen in practice."

DHS you know not what you say. I do this everyday and that is not my experience at all. What experience do you speak from? Are you telling us that people call Richard Gage fanatical? DHS you have crossed the line into the bizarre. Richard Gage converts people by 99.99999999% on average at any and all of his presentations.

"Richard Gage can handle that part, Jon handles the part he is familiar with. Jon isn't an architect or engineer. He's "Jon Six Pack" lol"

Ok so let's see, Jon Gold is not an engineer, that is your logic? He is not a politician either, nor is he a reporter, nor is he in the defense industry and energy industry, nor is he in the CIA, etc etc. Using the facts of controlled demolition is not about being Richard Gage, but rather about using the most effective evidence for waking people up. Any legitimacy in the odd list of facts that Jon Gold made is reduced greatly by purposely excluding Richard Gage's incredibly effective facts of controlled demolition.

With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org

I agree that there are "incredibly effective facts of controlled demolition." But Jon Gold is not required by law to mention them, is he? I understand your frustration but it's a personal decision on which topics you choose to focus and on which not. And this brilliant list of facts is indeed effective, believe it or not.

Did you notice that these 'facts' Jon has provided state that 'bin Laden' pulled off 9-11 with the help of his 'terrorists'?

With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org

Or were you too busy steaming about the lack of CD and AE911T references?

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Fact #29 takes a lot of effort to get through. I admit that I did not comprehend the full point of #29. It seems to go back and forth a lot. Maybe Jon can break this one up into paragraphs to help others comprehend the information. I can't figure out why you brought up #18.

Maybe Fact #28 threw me off. All that documented praise for the 9/11 Commission Report. I don't get it.

Fact #30 seems to conclude that the idea that the Osama Bin Laden tapes were doctored is preposterous. Maybe good intentions are there, but the actual impact of the text as it stands, goes against those intentions.

Facts #5, #20, #35, #36, #37, #41 and #44 imply that al Qaeda actually exists, yet only heresay from 'official intelligence' organizations make claims regarding al Qaeda. There is no actual evidence that al Qaeda exists. What are the facts that support any claim al Qaeda exists?

Fact #38 concludes with the implied claim that most Americans believe the government LET the terrorists attack the U.S... and it may be true that most Americans believe this, but should this be listed as one of the facts?

Fact #41 implies that Osama Bin Laden is the mastermind, that he was leading Taliban and al Qaeda troops in Afghanistan, and that the U.S. purposely let him go. This is all hearsay. Why is this included as a Fact?!

Fact #43 at first refers to 'alleged' hijackers, but then refers to them as 'the' hijackers, again and again. There is no hard evidence that anyone hijacked the planes on 9/11. It's all hearsay from 'official intelligence' sources. Yet #43 leaves the reader believing the hijackers actually existed. The people may have existed, but there is no evidence they existed as hijackers.

There are still troubling sections in this list of 'facts' as stated above. We need to work together to hone down any list of facts to be as accurate AND impacting as possible. Forgive me if I rub you the wrong way DHS. There is no need to focus on me. Let's focus on the facts.

And by the way. Fact #45 has since been added, and it makes reference to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, and I thank and respect Jon for making this addition. We have only one 9-11 Truth movement, so let's make it the best 9-11 Truth movement possible.

With you in the struggle,
Bruno
WeAreChangeLA - http://www.wacla.org

"Facts #5, #20, #35, #36, #37, #41 and #44 imply that al Qaeda actually exists, yet only heresay from 'official intelligence' organizations make claims regarding al Qaeda. There is no actual evidence that al Qaeda exists. What are the facts that support any claim al Qaeda exists?"

It's statements like this that have led some to compare members of this movement to holocaust deniers. Al Qaeda has very curious connections to many intelligence agencies throughout the world, but definitely does exist. Are you saying that EVERY single video, documents, etc. proving the existence of Al Qaeda are faked? If so, by whom? If you're going to make a statement along the lines of "Al Qaeda doesn't exist" you need to back that up with some evidence.

Also, "Al Qaeda doesn't exist" is a theory, much like everything else you promote as fact. This paper is about facts. If you're going to represent the interests of the victims, family members, and movement you should probably learn to differentiate between theory and fact.

Justin A. Martell
www.FormYourOwn.org
jamartell.blogspot.com

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach! Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach! My pathway led by confusion boats...mutiny from stern to bow!

"NIST's questionable report on building 7 caused people that were once on the fence regarding the collapse of those buildings on 9/11, to think that those advocating something different than NIST's conclusions, responsibly, might be right."

Fact #1 is that those buildings were blown to shit and it is completely obvious.

Sorry I didn't say this "responsibly." but I think that ignoring the single most important fact, and the cause of most of the deaths, is irresponsible.

Write your own fact sheet.